The Behavioral Corner

Hi, and welcome. I'm Steve Martorano. And this is the Behavioral Corner, you're invited to hang with us as we discuss the ways we live today, the choices we make, the things we do, and how they affect our health and well-being. So you're on the Corner, the Behavioral Corner, please hang around a while. 

Steve Martorano

Hey, everybody, how are you doing? Welcome back to the Behavioral Corner. Me, I'm Steve Martorano, and I actually get to hang on the corners. I was suited for this, I think. And what we do here is talk about anything that has to do with behavioral health. So what's behavioral health? Very briefly, it's the decisions we make, the choices we decide upon, all of which go to impact our behavior health -- spiritually, mentally, physically. So we like to say that the Behavioral Corner is a podcast about everything. And we got a good one for you today. For those of you who may not have heard of him, and there probably aren't many of you. Our guest, today on the Corner has lived a pirate's life. Pat Croce has swash buckle his way in the tradition of Earl Flynn's Captain Blood, and that Johnny Depp's of Jack Sparrow, from his days building up elite athletes as a sports trainer. To his building up a multi-million dollar training and treatment business Pat's looked for challenges wherever you can find them. And he succeeded extraordinarily as an entrepreneur in the hospitality business. It's been a radio and television host, motivational speaker. And of course, last but not least, he was the president, part-owner of his beloved Philadelphia 76ers basketball team -- the last great moment of that franchise, I might add. Incidentally, he found time during all of that, to actually go look for sunken pirate treasure remarkably enough. And in the 30 years, that's how long it's been packed since I've known that he's accomplished all that and more. And he's done it in the glare of the media spotlight. He embraced it, he looked for it, he wanted it. That's where he did his best work. He is then simply put a man who has lived his life out loud. And then suddenly...poof...gone. About six years ago, Pat slipped away from that game, which involves so much celebrity and spotlighting. And he began to search for something that wasn't buried under the sea but was buried in himself. And that quest has brought him right back out in the public with a brand new mission, a brand new challenge, and that is fighting cancer and helping others who are also doing the same. So we are absolutely delighted to have him join us this time on the Behavioral Corner. Patrick, how are you, buddy?

Pat Croce

I'm doing great. What an introduction. I hope I can live up to that.

Steve Martorano

Well, yeah, I did I get it right? I got most of that, right.

Pat Croce

Wow, I'm impressed.

Steve Martorano 

You're an easy subject. So I did that little, you know, Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego and is Pat Croce with him because six years ago, I mean, you weren't a hard guy to find if you were in the sports business, or the Delaware Valley where we spent our time you took it upon yourself to challenge yourself and you did it publicly, you know, from climbing up bridges, dropping down out of the rafters in a building to drafting Allen Iverson you were out there in the public and then you disappear. I mean, one sense you disappeared from that. That happened six years ago. I can't believe it. So let's talk about that. Because I know this is a very important subject for you. What happened six years ago, that set you off in the direction you're in now?

Pat Croce

So let me take you a couple of months before that six-year pivot point. It's the end of 2014 November 2, I'm turning 60 years old. And I'm in a conference room with all of my general managers of our restaurant, hospitality, business, and Key West. But I'm wondering to myself, What am I doing here? You know I -- sports medicine I really enjoyed working on your body. 76ers, I enjoyed bringing the energy and the fandom and the pride back to the city of Philadelphia through their sports franchise. But the next great grouper sandwich? I don't know. I mean, I enjoyed leading a team. I enjoyed the marketing. I enjoyed the buzz. But I was retiring at the end of 2014. My son and son-in-law were all ready to take over the reins. And I just -- it wasn't my passion I asked myself: I'm not pursuing my own passion here. So I retired at -- the third time, and I didn't know what I wanted to do. But I was still on an ego trip. I was still looking for the next book. The next motivational talk, the next Pat on the Back and Stevie it's in early January and I'm on a plane ride back to Key West and I pick up a magazine have to travel magazine and there's this writer, Pico Iyer -- ever heard of him. He's a travel writer, but he's also in the spiritual realm. And he says this one statement in this article that really had an impact on me, I can't even tell you why. But he said, "Most of our life occurs in our head: memory, imagination, speculation, interpretation. So if you want to change your life, you best begin by changing your mind." And that was like a Satori in Zen. It said, no my moment, where total inspiration happens that aha, I went, "wow." Now I can change a body. I've done that all my life, from pros to amateurs to collegiate Olympians. I can change my opinion in a blink. But can I change my mind? Like, seriously? Can I change my mind? So that led me, Steve, to see his TED talk? On stillness Now, why stillness would interest me? My hyperactive personality is like, the secret among all secrets. But nevertheless, I watch it. And I'm thinking about sitting still, I don't know he is talking about stilling the mind. That leads me to another TED talk on mindfulness. Never heard the word before. This Andy Puddicombe, ex-Tibetan monk, and you may know him because his app -- his meditation app, Headspace, is so very popular. One that I started with and recommended highly. And then that led me to a third TED talk. I was getting juiced up here, I was really fascinated by this realm that had nothing to do with me. I never put my mind on my mind. A third TED talk was on by Matthieu Ricard, a Frenchman, the interpreter for the Dalai Lama. He wrote a book on happiness. He was the one that was the guinea pig for all the meditation studies at the University of Michigan because he could go into any kind of Samadhi, at will. And he wrote the Monk and the Philosopher. His father's a famous philosopher in France. And he left the Pastore Institute, under a Nobel Prize winner at 26 to go to Tibet. Well, a couple of years later, I'm dragging Diane up into the mountains of Bhutan to be with him up in a monastery, which was wonderful, like, truly wonderful. But nevertheless, that was the start. So I pursued it, I went deeper into it went to retreats, I start reading it, then something happened, where I say it was a crack in my mind, I don't know if it's a shift of consciousness, but the whole perspective of the world changed. And so for the next several years, I went on a quest around the world to find out what the fudge happened. Like, what happened? And that was it. And that really changed my entire perspective of the world. 

Steve Martorano

Yeah, you know, what's interesting Pat, as a retired hippie, we were very much if you were curious, very much exposed to Eastern philosophies during the late 60s and early 70s and it's always struck me as interesting that people steeped in western traditions would look for the answer, there is one in the east. And you certainly in your life, as I've known you, and the public has known you had the quintessential Western mind, the American mind, the frontier, the individual, the conquer any mountain and the drive forward. And the at the end of that when you go as you did, now, what? It's interesting how we go someplace else, does that strike you as unusual or just a natural progression? How do you wind up involved in Eastern philosophy? Does that strike you as odd?

Pat Croce

Totally, totally. But once you do it, and you delve into it, it's so familiar. It's so comfortable. It's so intimate. Like, how come I didn't know this for the first 60 years of my life? How come I'm never taught this, but it really is about everything I did. Steve was what's next? and Diane would ask, What are you chasing? What are you afraid of? And I'm like, "Get out of here. What are you talking about? What am I afraid of? I'm not afraid of anything. Look at this leather jacket. Look at this fourth-degree black belt. Look at this. It was all BS. Right? And what's next? The next sports medicine center, the next sixers win, the next restaurant, the next motivational talk. The next accolades in the paper. It was always a temporary high. I was going out in search of happiness, the purpose of the universe, happiness into some external objective experience, not knowing I was in the wrong direction.

Steve Martorano

Yeah, the key there is the word external. There's something out there. And that'll make it all right. That'll make it all happy. And then it turns inward. So you know that...

Pat Croce

Steve, how can anything in this temporary illusory world make you permanently happy? You find out that the happiness, peace, and love that you inherently are -- Our true Self -- with a capital S -- is that which is just aware of all these thoughts coming and going. Feelings coming and going. Sensations coming and going. Worldly possessions coming and going. But what doesn't leave? Just that aware presence, the eye that I am. And it's amazing once you realize that, that that I am that was looking in the mirror when you were 6, 16, 26, 66 has never changed. Yes, that expression in the mirror? Yeah, that's been all colored up.

Steve Martorano

It's my favorite expression when people go, do you travel a lot? I go No, not so much. Because I find it no matter where I go. There I am. You know, it's just an excuse for being lazy, I guess. You know, we have many conversations here on the Behavioral Corner, some of which have to do with substance abuse and how people find their way out of that. But just in general, how people have quest after the kinds of answers you're talking about. And you know, people return to this thing of the stillness and being in the moment and meditation. And I gotta tell you, somebody, as much as I respect that ethic, and those activities, I have never, I've never even tried to be honest, but could never really get my mind around how do you slow your mind down? How do you meditate? How can you get that voice to stop talking to you? I find that to...

Pat Croce

Let me tell you how. And now meditation is wonderful. It's a wonderful practice. But then you eventually evolve and realize that meditation is something you are not what you do. Because the ego takes a backdoor experience, approach and comes in as "Oh, I like this meditation, we got to do this. We can do meditation. We meditate better than them. We got to meditate for this goal -- this many days in a row." It's all BS. That's all this separate self-taken advantage of the spiritual teachings. When you do whatever you do, Stevie you like this radio interview. <<long pause>> Right there, you meditated. Right there. That's a zen technique. When you do your radio show you invest your being in the doing, how you do - what you d - whatever you do, - how you do it - the being in the doing - the how in a now creates the wow - that's meditating. When you are fully invested in sports, we call that "the flow." But that's meditation. Now that is true meditation, just reciting a prayer is not meditation. Anytime you lift off and project to the future, or get pulled into the past. That's not meditation. That's the mind getting ready to cause you suffering.

Steve Martorano

Yeah, yeah. So some of my confusion has to do with the fact that I'm under the impression that to meditate properly and effectively, you need to be in a dark room, a very quiet place with a candle burning and you know, you need a mantra or something. I hear you saying that you could probably, you know, you could do it, sure. But you can also meditate on a subway on the way to work.

Pat Croce

Totally. Just go outside. Listen, place your attention lovingly on the sound of the birds. Then place it on the sound between the sound of the birds, that absence of the bird, tweeting. And then just be aware of all the sounds and non-sounds that come up and go off -- and meditation is just don't be attached to whatever arises. Let it come like the noisy neighbor in, give them no coffee, no doughnuts, get out. And just let them go. That's all it is. Mindfulness, as described by Jon Kabat-Zinn, who's the guy who kinda coined the term for Mindfulness-based stress reduction, and it's at a Massachusetts but Google, everyone does it now. It's just placing your attention on purpose in the present moment, without judgment. That's mindfulness. If you really, really, really want to get a little deeper. Be aware that you're being mindful. Wow, Yeah, now you're talking. So brush your teeth. You're aware that you're brushing your teeth. But be aware that you're aware of you're brushing your teeth, you know that you're aware, that is really, truly the formless "I am" that you talked about.

Steve Martorano

Yeah, yeah. Because so much of what we do on a moment by moment basis, is automatic, or without thinking and taken for granted. But there's no stillness in that. We seem to be moving to the next thing all the time. 

Pat Croce

Oh, yeah. That was me.  Thich Nhat Hanh is famous, you may have heard of him, a famous Vietnamese Buddhist monk. Martin Luther King, Jr. nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize after the Vietnam War and he's still alive. He's about 94. He's written tons of books, tons of books. No Mud, No Lotus. All kinds of great books. But he says one of these great lines "Don't wash the dishes to clean the dishes. Wash the dishes to wash the dishes." I know. You get it, right? 

Steve Martorano

Yeah, yes. 

Pat Croce

Just get it. No outcomes. No expectations.

Steve Martorano

We read a lot in those days. Alan Watts and a lot of those guys. 

Pat Croce

Oh, I love Alan Watts. 

Steve Martorano

Yeah, Christian Murty and a lot of them. You read about these people who went to Ashram's and spent the first 10 years sweeping. You go, "What?!?" Sweeping. Yeah, you gotta get real good at sweeping. So I get...

Pat Croce

After I dragged Diane -- you're like this Steve -- after Buton I owed her. So then I said, "Come on honey." And I took her to Maui to be with Ram Dass. Oh, now I know, you know, Ram Dass. I love him

Steve Martorano

Yeah, yeah. You're an amazing case of point because, as I said, the thing you're working on now, which is inward? Probably there was a struggle there. Because you were this outside guy. You were this hard drive that you could reconcile your supposed nature with this new feeling is helpful for people. Now one of the things I know that are focused on your attention on lately is your health. You have been diagnosed with cancer recently. Could you tell us a little bit about that?

Pat Croce 16:25 

Sure. It was the end of last year. It wasn't COVID. And you know me I'm a fitness fanatic. 

Steve Martorano 

Yes. 

Pat Croce

Nothing's changed. I still have the same pulse rate I had when you knew me 30 years ago. Everything, same. From working out to working in the woods. It's October, I had a squamous cell cut off me and basal cells, you know, basic stuff, you get cut off because half of me is Irish, the Italian part, no problem. No one's gonna get through the olive oil. But you know, the Gallic part, you know, that just gets..

Steve Martorano

You gotta stay out of the sun, Pat. You gotta stay out of the sun.

Pat Croce

Yeah, I get it cut off. And now it's a couple of weeks later, and I have all my sternum some kind of bump and It's itchy, like really itchy overnight. So the next day I get up and it's still itchy. I think maybe I got stung by something because I'm out in the woods a lot. I have this zen path really cool three miles of the path I built. And so I put some cream on it. Nothing. I told Diane I said, my wife, I said, "Man, Di I got some itchiness." She goes, "Well look at your chest." On my right peck. I had about a half-dollar size rash. I had some prescription poison ivy cream, but I didn't have my shirt off in October outside in the woods. Never because of poison ivy and ticks. There's no way. So nothing. I call my dermatologist I send her a picture. She sends me a 2.5% steroidal cream. I put it on for two weeks twice a day as prescribed. I even do it for a little longer because I'm embarrassed it's not working. She says come on in. Now I have to leave Meditation Hill here, go back to the Main Line, get a biopsy. Not one week, which is normal. Three weeks -- she calls me back -- just around my birthday November 2 -- Pat, you have Cutaneous on the skin T-cell lymphoma. I said, "Wait a second. I have cancer?" She said "Yes." Okay, what do I do about it? Boom. "What do I do about it." She said gotta go, oncologist. I did that Monday. I had the PET scan. Friday I had the surgery. It looks like a pirate took us Cutlass right across my chest. And then once that healed I had done the month of December radiation. And, Stevie people ask and people who know me now know me, they say well, what's the scale of angst from one to ten? It wasn't a blimp off zero. Nothing. Because it wasn't me. It was my body. It was not me. This body to me is just a cluster of thoughts, sensations, and perceptions, fueled by desires and fears, and rooted in memory, but it has nothing to do with who I truly am when we talked about the I am -- the I am that we all are -- that universal presence. So it didn't bother me at all. Nothing. 

Steve Martorano

Is that right? Yeah?

Pat Croce

Totally. Totally. 

Steve Martorano

Let me ask you something. Before you go any further. You're on a roll. I know. But it's interesting. Do you think you would have had that kind of clear notion about your cancer had you not found the path you're on now?

Pat Croce

I can never answer anything truthfully that's not in the present moment otherwise, it's conjecture. I'd have to say, "No way." No way. No way. No way. Because I thought I was my thoughts and feelings. I don't even know there was a voice in the head.

Steve Martorano

Listen, you also dedicated a large portion of your life much of your success to the physical world, the body. What freaks people out about any disease but certainly cancer is that your body has turned against you. And you go "My goodness." It's not like an external threat. Now, I got this inside of me. 

Pat Croce

And it's growing. 

Steve Martorano

Yeah, we got a problem here. So you have this stillness, this awareness that this thing is happening to your body but not to you. And that has helped you. In measurably I can tell you don't look like a guy who is freaking out about cancer. So the old Pat is in here a little bit in here, though, because you just don't sit around and go, "Okay, I'll deal with this." You go,"You know what, maybe I can help other people deal with this." 

Pat Croce

You know, I do this spiritual Sangha every Sunday, for almost two years now, from all over the country. I was zooming before Zoom, I should have invested in the stock. Then I write inspirational, spiritual tweets every morning for the past four or five years. And I said, Diane, I wish I could help more people awaken. Awaken in the sense that they don't have to suffer. You know, they may not get the full light of enlightenment that they truly are. Totally take the veils off. But just to know that they have a choice. Buddha said 2,500 years ago, "Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional." Not the suffering with sorrow and grief, with the loss of a loved one -- that's rooted in love. I'm talking about the suffering that's rooted in fear -- the suffering of anger, and angst, and frustration, and disappointment and blame, shame, you know, nonforgiveness, all that stuff. We have a choice that with that doesn't have to affect us. So she goes, Well, you're doing what you can do with the Sangha. Well, after I was diagnosed with cancer, my body went like this, Stevie. "You're good. You're good." I felt like DeNiro talking to Billy Crystal. "You're good." Because what better channel than cancer? I mean, there are not two degrees of separation. There is not one degree -- everyone knows someone, if not themselves, who has been touched by cancer -- the energy of cancer. So why not make that the channel of love? So I call the American Cancer Society in January. I tell him who I am. The lady, the director -- the VP of the Philadelphia region shows I know you are Pat. I was wondering where you went. I said, I disappeared. I said, but I'm coming out of hiding. I'm coming off the mountain and I want to help. I said I've been diagnosed with one, possibly two, I got this funky blood thing. But I said I want to be active. I know if I come into the public eye. I can make a difference. And so she says, "Let me get back to you." I know. I think she hung up and ran around with her hair on fire. Who knows? I love Paula. This lady Paula Green. Now we become so tight. She comes back with a group of women. And they say, Pat, we have this program in headquarters in Atlanta, called HEALED - health and energy through active living every day. I said, "Whoa, I love that. Okay, what is it?" She said, "Well, it was research done with 85 cancer patients with physical activity protocols on the internet and using survivorship with activity and showing unbelievable cognitive behavior, all kinds of great results." But, in 2019 they ran out of money, so they just tabled it. I said, "I'll take it on. So what do you got to raise?" "Well, first, it's going to be about two and a half million." I said, "I'll put up 10%. I'll raise the rest. What else? What's next?" She said, "Well, let me get everyone together and the scientists..." So, I get another zoom meeting. And I said to the scientists, Dr. Arca who you met saw on the...

Steve Martorano

Yeah, yes. Yeah.

Pat Croce

Yeah. I said to her, "How long is this gonna take?" She said, "About 14 months." I said, "Nope, I'm not waiting 14 months. No, I want people affected now. I may not be here in 14 months. I want to affect them now." And that's what I came up with the community gathering -- the HEALED community gathering -- every Wednesday at noon, every Wednesday at noon for one power hour. I will come on and share with them insights tips. Bring on celebrities like Mike Schmidt, the famous all-star baseball player who shared his experience with melanoma. Scientists, doctors, nutritionists, warrior stories, cancer patients who have survived with the least amount of odds, and all of a sudden there's still...You know, it's the kind of, Steve, if I can do it, you can do it. And people need this community to lean on. And I'm talking about caregivers, not just cancer patients, loved one's family, friends, pets can help everyone or lessen suffering.

Steve Martorano

Well, the beauty of it is is fully recognizes that cancer is a family disease. Somebody gets cancer, the whole family sort of gets cancer. Pat Croce is our guest. We're talking to Pat about the journey he's on which he continues on now. To still his mind and center himself and how he's bringing that to bear with the American Cancer Society and their HEALED Program. We have a lot more questions for Pat, and very little time so, we'll just take a moment to pause and we'll pick up this fascinating discussion straight ahead.

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Steve Martorano

Pat Croce's with us on the Corner, we're talking to Pat about his cancer and the cancer brothers. You know, we've had cancer come up on the Behavioral Corner a lot. One of our best guests ever was a woman who, whose husband was diagnosed with very severe brain cancer. And she, you know, became his primary caregiver and, and she lost him during which time she also was diagnosed with cancer. 

Pat Croce

Oh.

Steve Martorano 25:56 

Some people get more than their share, to carry on. But she did. And she, to a large extent, got a handle on it through yoga. 

Pat Croce

Hmmmm

Steve Martorano 

And she, this is not you know, she's not doing this because she wants to sell you leggings or a mat. She's doing this because she has discovered and she studied, there's a great yoga Institute in Massachusetts in the Berkshires, where they teach people therapeutic yoga for cancer patients. And a lot of people who've dealt with cancer or have cancer are stopped in their place when they hear, "Come on. The doctors are prescribing this, this and you're telling me Yoga is going to have some kind of benefit for me?" Well, yeah, turns out, I mean, she's very healthy. And she's teaching other people these skills. When I saw your healing, gathering the other day, and you had your scientist on Dr...

Pat Croce

Erika Rees-Punia.

Steve Martorano

Yes, she was terrific. And she talked about the importance of people dealing with cancer to remain active. I thought what a marriage she's got here. There's a scientific ocean. And there's a guy you practically invented to be active. You know, so people don't think, you know, you guys are the American Cancer Society, they do not snake oil salesmen. If they tell you that activity is good for cancer. It is. But in what ways prove that?

Pat Croce

So let's say that. You know that you just said something interesting, because I said, What are you talking about? Who doesn't know that an active lifestyle helps with everything? They said the American Cancer Society has to have empirical data. Everything has to be research-based, whether it's smoking sensation or breast cancer, or testing PSA for prostate cancer, everything. So I said you go do your thing. And I'm going to still blow the horn right now that get your ass off the chair and get active. Now we're talking about active living, Steve. We're not talking about 30 minutes three times a week -- not that basic fitness protocol. That's not it. When we talk about active living, we're talking 300 minutes a week. 300. And it can include gardening, vacuuming, cleaning the garage, do things that are enjoyable, but that move the body. You don't have to lose your breath. You should still be able to whistle. But be active, you know, it's the old take the stairs instead of the elevator or park further from the store. It's just being active. Because what you do -- several things you do. One, you feel better when you have higher energy. It's about that elevating not only the physical energy, the chi, but also the vibrational frequency that "you are" because you harmonize with a higher frequency and you don't let the low vibe people pull you down into complaining, blaming, criticizing, judging. It's just a whole different mindset.

Steve Martorano

For many people who are particular people who have just experienced cancer in their lives to the startling notion that among everything else you're supposed to do, you're supposed to walk up the stairs and not get on the escalator. And again, as I said, it's American Cancer Society, they're not selling snake oil. They need data. And we know that physical activity affects brain chemistry. And as you said earlier, if you want to change the way you're behaving change the way you're thinking. And what better way to do that...

Pat Croce

I was gonna say Dr. Erica mentioned a statistic that I couldn't believe was possible that 70% of cancer patients, even survivorship, are not active.

Steve Martorano

And here's the problem. You've got cancer. So the doctor says you've got cancer, you're not thinking, I'll get back to you. I gotta go to the gym. I get you to know, it's gotten better in our lifetimes. It's no longer the death sentence it used to be it's Now in fact, we're moving to a stage where it's more of chronic or acute disease in many cases, and that's good, but it does stop people in their tracks, the dreaded Big C, I don't think of a lot of things. I certainly don't think about the activity. So this initiative is important. Because let's face it, it's low cost, it's beneficial. And it's going to raise awareness about what needs to be done. You know, this is almost like the low-hanging fruit, the battle against cancer. Now you have committed yourself to this program healed and the healing gatherings. But you brought in you raised a lot of money you've raised over almost $2 million now, right?

Pat Croce

Yes, in the last six, eight weeks. Yeah, everyone save I have to say right now, here's my steak oil: Everyone can participate. If you go to acshealed.com -- acshealed.com and make a minor investment in the curing of this disease and in the lessening of suffering for all who are touched by disease or those who are touched by those who are touched. Whether it's $25 if you can only afford $5. One, you get the link to be with us every Wednesday, East Coast time at noon, and two, you get this beautiful black lava bead bracelet. I took a page out of Lance Armstrong Live Strong yellow band. And I thought now let's go with something that I wear anyway. And I wanted one green bead. One green bead represents the unity that we're all in this together. We're the same being, God's infinite being, shared amongst all these expressions. And this green stands for harmony, nature, renewal, and healing. So, anyone and everyone, it's my dream. I had a dream to win a championship trophy for the Sixers and you know that bring the city back. This is a bigger dream with a larger market share that everyone wears this nice little bracelet that and whenever they are under stress, or any time they find their mind vacillating into the future or the talking ahead is just so incessant, that it's causing him trouble - just feel that green, feels it, touch it, and place your attention on the sensation between your finger and the bead. And you'll realize that that worry or anxiety you had is no more therefore it's not real. It's not really you. If it comes and goes. It's not real. And so it's just a little portal to presence I call it.

Steve Martorano

Nice, nice, Pat Croce. Thanks so much again, people to find out more about HEALED on the American Cancer Society's website. You can go there, throw a few dollars into the pot if you can afford it. But if you need information and guidance, and you want to get involved in these weekly, healing gatherings that Pat presides over, I was at the inaugural one online.

Pat Croce

Wasn't that fun?

Steve Martorano

It was great. Yeah, it was great. Mike Schmidt looks fantastic. Your people are great. You got a cancer survivor who wasn't given three years, it's been eleven now. He's an inspiration to listen to on just the basis of sharing the experience. with others. It's a valuable thing. So, you know, good for you that you know, I expect nothing less. My best, Diane, I've seen her in a million years either.

Pat Croce

Can I say something before I go? Before I did any public speaking. Before I did any television radio work. Before I had 76ers and had a press conference every week. I went and tutored under this man. This man, I sat next to him. And he taught me the essence of radio. And he said, Stevie, you said this to me. "Radio is the theater of the mind," I remember to this day. And you said "Take people into this theater and provide them with the show and describe it the best you can." and I never found anyone more adept at describing that show than you. And you know so much about so many things. I just thought wow, I don't know if I go this route..

Steve Martorano

This year the mind thing I think I stole from Orsen Wells, but that's okay. Anyway, you know, it was a great deal and in return for those you know. I used to tell people I could teach anybody how to push a button and turn them like I can't teach people to communicate. And then this guy comes in and they say let him sit down with you see what you can do with him and I'm thinking, This is a gimme." This guy. This is ridiculous. In return for that, Pat whipped me into the greatest shape I was ever in my life. One day I'll do a show all you people out there and think that you're you know working out at the gym. No, you're not. I'll tell you about working out. Anyway. Love you. Miss you. I gotta get up the Bucks County one day.

Pat Croce

Come and visit. 

Steve Martorano

Listen, thanks so much for this. I promise you the Behavioral Corner will always be there to help spread the word. Check us out at behavioralcorner.com. Pat's show will be up in short order, and check him out on the American Cancer Society and the HEALED program. Pat, take care Thanks so much

Pat Croce

Man. Steve, you're so smooth. That was great. Thank you.

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