About The Fentanyl Awareness Coalition

The Fentanyl Awareness Coalition (FAC) is founded by bereaved families who have lost loved ones to the fentanyl epidemic. Our energies are directed toward the following goals:

We advocate for the reduction and restriction of illicit Synthetic Analogues in the United States

We endeavor to raise awareness about the new and unique risks – to all segments of our society – resulting from the sudden influx of illicit Synthetic drugs into the United States;

We will accomplish this through our affiliation with member organizations throughout the United States.

Steve Martorano 
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The Behavioral Corner 
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Steve Martorano 
 How are you doing welcome again to the Behavioral Corner. It's me. I'm hanging on the Corner. This is a great life I have isn't it. What we do here on the Behavioral Corner is talk about everything. Because everything affects our behavioral health. It is brought to you with the cooperation of Retreat Behavioral Health, you'll hear more about them a little bit later on. This time on the corner is one of several we're doing over the last couple of weeks about fentanyl. And if you don't know about fentanyl, have ever heard about fentanyl. You're gonna get an education here and these programs and education that could save people's lives. So if you only listen to one podcast this week, I hope it's this one. Fentanyl has been described by people as the third wave of an opioid crisis that began maybe almost a decade ago. I think we're all aware that there have been lots of stories about OxyContin and the depths and the abuses of that drug. And fentanyl arrives now, as I said described as a third wave. It's a bit of a misnomer because it seems to imply it has the same kind of dynamic that the first two waves, this is just the third phase of it. While some of that is true, much, much more of that is not the same. Fentanyl is a game-changer in a very, very dramatic and terrible way. And we're gonna find out about that. Our guests join us again from an organization that we've been working with the Fentanyl Awareness Coalition broad-based from Canada to Texas today and Ohio and New York all over the place. These are people who have come together primarily made up of family members who have lost loved ones to fentanyl. And that's what we have for you today. From New Jersey. Edie Kolobis joins us from the Fentanyl Awareness Coalition. And also from Texas, Stephanie Hellstern. Guys, thanks so much for joining us on the corner.

Edie Kolobis 
Thank you.

Stephanie Hellstern 
Thank you for having us.

Steve Martorano 
Sorry, I took so long doing that. You know, it is. Let's start where I began with that description of fentanyl being the kind of third wave of this opioid crisis that we've been having. I know you, you're here to tell us how it's very much different than the other two waves. So let's begin right there. What is different about this? Ed do you want to start us off? What's different about fentanyl in the context of this crisis?

Edie Kolobis 
Yeah, sure. Let me just give you a 30-second brief history. Fentanyl was invented somewhere in the 1950s by Doctor Janssen. And fentanyl is a tremendous drug. I recently had surgery last September. And they gave me fentanyl before they did the procedure. So you didn't really hear that much about fentanyl. And then right around 2013 or so. Things changed. There was an uptick in heroin deaths. And then a few years later, we started to see pills come into the US and what happened during the previous administration. They slapped China around a little bit and China sort of agreed okay, we're not going to send straight fentanyl to the United States. But what they continued to do was send the chemical -- the fentanyl chemical precursor to Mexico. And then the cartels got the bright idea to start mass manufacturing pills in these clandestine labs, and they would stamp them as Percocet. Oxy 30s. Xanax. And one of the problems with fentanyl it's because of it's so powerful. They don't have the ability to mix it uniformly. Even a pharmaceutical company would have a tough time making a fentanyl pill exactly with the strength that they wanted. What makes fentanyl different than heroin besides its strength is this whole issue of deception right now, where these kids are buying pills that are labeled Xanax, Oxys, Percocet, whatever. But they're not. It's straight fentanyl with filler. And what's happening today is what, you know, Michael had come up with the phrase, "the new paradigm."

Steve Martorano 
Michael Gray.

Edie Kolobis 
And for the first time ever, and you know, let's face it, drugs have been around for 100 years. We're seeing first-time users, casual users, and those just self-medicating, dying on a daily basis. Just a couple of years ago. I'm pretty good friends with the mom of Jarred Rome, who was an Olympic discus thrower -- six foot five 280 pounds. But over the years, he had a lot of injuries. And he got a Percocet from a friend and it killed him. So yeah, when it crosses all walks of life, and that's what's going on today.

Steve Martorano 
All right, let me ask...let me ask Stephanie, this. And you can respond too. Once the drug becomes so ubiquitous, it is now being mixed into counterfeit pills of all varieties. As you guys correctly pointed out, things change paradigm shifts. We're not talking about your garden variety overdose. You're talking about -- and I know you guys use this phrase very pointedly -- you talk about people being poisoned. 

Edie Kolobis 
That's right. 

Steve Martorano 
Stephanie tell me who you...who you lost and what were the circumstances?

Stephanie Hellstern 
Yes, I lost my only son, Kyle. He was only 16. And that age, who doesn't start experimenting, you know, from 16 to college years. And basically, he was given or sold a Percocet or what he thought was perc on the streets. And it wasn't just laced with fentanyl. It was pure fentanyl. So as you know, it's 50 times stronger than morphine. And so two milligrams kill you. And my son died at 12 in a system, which would kill about six people.

Steve Martorano 
Do you have any idea what he thought he was taking?

Stephanie Hellstern 
Yeah, he thought he was taking a per or Percocet, which, you know, now it's going on two years, this July, July 14 of 2020, during COVID, when I lost him, and everybody's going through what we were going through, right, it was actually an epidemic with a pandemic that nobody's talking about. Basic what I'm learning is it's not only just the fake prescription, which, you know, I have these wristbands that I say, you know, "One fake pill can kill." you know, he got a counterfeit pill was deceived, but they're also putting it in gummy bears, and they're also making fake Adderall. They're making fake, you know, like, he's that Oxycontin, fake Tylenol three, as well. So people are being deceived, thinking they're taking one thing for, you know, to just get a little bit of pain high, you know, and they're being deceived. And so that's why we are saying, My son, was poisoned. My son was...did not have an overdose. An overdose is when you've taken too much of something.

Steve Martorano 
Yeah. Yeah. Ed, your situation is very similar, right?

Edie Kolobis 
Yeah. Similar situation. I have to go back to July...the evening of July 3, 2018. But we're planning on having people over the next day. And I remember my son pulling up in the car. The car door slammed. And he had just graduated from electrician school. He worked five nights a week in a restaurant. He was in the gym every day. Just as great, solid kid. And I remember thinking to myself, as I looked out the window, I thought, "Wow, that's my son, how proud I was of him." And he walked into the house, and we talked for a minute, and that was the last time I saw him alive. I found them the next morning facedown on the bedroom floor. He never made it out of the house that night. And it wasn't long after that, that I found out that he thought he was taking a Xanax pill. And there was no Xanax, it was just straight fentanyl. And so at the time, you know, you're in a state of shock. But I thought well, I have to do something about this. So I wrote something to the local news outlet and then it was just a few days later, I got a call from Michael Gray. And you know, we went back and forth. He had just lost his beautiful daughter, Amanda just a few months earlier. And we both decided we needed to do something about it. And that's sort of how the Fentanyl Awareness Coalition started. About six months later, we went down to Washington DC, we actually had a two-hour meeting with the den drugs or Jim Carroll. Since then we've been down to DC on multiple occasions. So the last time was in January, and we both spoke in front of a congressional committee. So and you know, since then, we have Stephanie and Marley. And it simply speaking for us now it's all about saving lives and spreading that message. That one pill kill.

Steve Martorano 
Again, neither of you had -- I'm taking it -- any indication that your kids were seriously abusing drugs prior to their death. Yes, you're right, Stephanie, you know, kids do crazy stuff. We all did. We all take what we...what we thought...thought were doing were kind of acceptable risks. This was different. But again, you didn't know about fentanyl prior to your Kyle dying, right? 

Stephanie Hellstern 
No...

Steve Martorano 
Who told you? So who told you? Did the authorities say to you when you're going, "No, it couldn't possibly be a drug overdose? Like kid wasn't abusing drugs."

Stephanie Hellstern 
Right.

Steve Martorano 
If the police tell you what's going on? Is that how it happened?

Stephanie Hellstern 
No. So what's actually it's really interesting stories, you know, and I'll go back a little bit to is, you know, I'm getting back it's tax season, it's two days, you know, and I get home, I can't find him anywhere. And I ended up finding him in my backyard on the patio. So I tried to resuscitate him. And it was the hottest day of the summer here in Texas. And I'm thinking, okay, maybe he had a heat stroke, or you know, or maybe an underlying condition that I didn't know about. It took four months for me to get that autopsy. And so, you know, can you imagine you lose your child, and then you're at the same time COVID is going on and you're still you're like, you're calling a detective trying to figure out what's going on. And he's like, wait, we're just waiting for the autopsy. We're waiting for the autopsy. And normally it takes about 90 days is what I'm hearing. But during COVID It took an extra month. And the detective even had the decency to still call me and tell me what happened. Somebody saw it online from a friend that was curious and was trying to figure also what happened to Kyle. And they call me like, "Hey, have you gotten results?" I'm like, "No." And I looked online, and I saw the words "acute fentanyl intoxication." I immediately...I'm in marketing, and I've got my Master's in Counseling, I immediately looked to see what that was. I never heard of the word fentanyl. And once I started Googling, and just looking researching and finding articles and everything else. What I was learning is there are two kinds. There's the legal kind that Ed talked about that he was even prescribed, you know, it's even in an epidural, my best friend just had a baby. And I was like, she almost freaked out. Like what and I'm like, It's okay, there's a doctor here, you know. And then there's the illegal that we're talking about of how all these people are being poisoned. So I just did a lot of research. And that's how I came across...I ran into Ed and Michael and all of them. I'm so glad I did at that time because I had just lost Kyle. I had started doing research, I even looked up and I'm like, you know, what, what do I do as a counselor myself, I talk about support groups, right? So I was on Facebook, and social media, looking at other people. And I realized I was not alone. And so I just kept researching. And I'm so glad I found other people. You know, it's unfortunate that they've been on this journey longer. But they were able to take me right under their wing and say, "Hey, this is what we're doing. This is what we have done. This is where we're going." 

Steve Martorano 
You know, what's interesting about Stephanie's story, and I've heard it many times, is that it reveals what you guys are talking about in a paradigm shift. A young man otherwise healthy is found dead in the backyard, or in your case in the house, by the police, because of the context in which it's occurring. You know, this isn't somebody that bought drugs on the corner and died in a shooting gallery, in a bad part of town, he's in his home, and they don't see it because associated with drugs. So they seem to be in as much of the dark as, as you were the idea that it took you Stephanie, four months to find out that a drug an illegal, deadly drug killed your son is astonishing. And were you similarly initially confused as to what happened?

Edie Kolobis 
I don't know if confused is the word I wasn't thinking about. At the time. I was definitely in a state of shock. In my case. There was some and everything is a blur now. Because when I approached my son i found him face down. I remember the first few words out of my mouth, "Why, why why?" And I had touched him and he was ice cold. His fingers were purple and his face was distorted. And the police were there within a matter of minutes. And from what I understand there were some traces on I don't know what I think was a half a pill...

Steve Martorano 
They have a little more evidence and then what happened?

Edie Kolobis 
It just so happened that the first cop that showed up was friends with my son and he was 20 years old. This guy was in his early 30s. And there is a lab 30-minutes away, and he said I'll let you know when a couple of days. It was three days later we called me up.

Steve Martorano 
Yeah, it does go bring into sharp relief, what these shows were doing, and what your group is all about the Fentanyl Awareness Coalition. And that is to -- not in any way to minimize the problems of substance abuse disorder or the need people have many, many people for treatment for SUD. But it's to pause the discussion, the old standard narrative, and say, "Yes, that's true. And that work needs to be done." But there's a much bigger thing going on now. And the reason we all should hear it is that we're all stakeholders. Everybody is at risk. And the irony again, and I would like to hear your comment on this is that the sudden uptick, this exponential increase in deaths because of this poison, occurs when an airborne communicable disease is sweeping the globe and we're all in a flat out panic, to protect ourselves against COVID. People, we're still stuck somewhere where people go, "Okay, fentanyl is bad. But it happens to those people." 

Stephanie Hellstern 
Yes, those people. 

Steve Martorano 
So the message here...will you tell me the messages here, "No, no, it doesn't have to that people...those people." 

Stephanie Hellstern 
No, it's actually hitting everybody. You know, I'm glad it finally came out that the number one cause of death now --- the number one is fentanyl. It's more than car accidents, more than COVID more than gun violence, and suicide right now. So to me, that's very alarming. It's aged 18 to 45. And what we're seeing too, is it's the people who are getting targeted as well, that it's, it's very normalized for just what do you do when you have a cold, you take a pill or you take medicine, right? When you have a headache, you take a pill right now they're even pushing the COVID pill, you know, so it's very normalized for pills all the time, right? Even for ADHD, medicine, all these other things. So our kids are being very desensitized, to everything that's going around. So right now who's being targeted around 13 to 24, where we're seeing those people buying right now. And I mean, it's early, as I'm now telling people, you need to talk to your kids as early as six or seven, because there was an eight or nine-year-old in elementary, that almost OD'd, from gummy bears that were at school that someone brought. So there's just a very alarming the everybody in anybody needs to know that, hey, talk to your kids, talk to your loved ones. And if it's something that is not a sealed package you got from the pharmacy, do you not take it at all. Do you not take it at all.

Steve Martorano 
Yeah, Ed, we talked about this just before we went on the air and that's ironic, we're at a point in time where that old Stand by 30 years ago now of "Just say no." which was pretty roundly ridiculed as being ineffective, and it was, it was ineffective, in terms of people abusing drugs. Were back there. Now. We're back at now, where you've got to...you've got to just say "no" to anything you're not completely and utterly certain about. Let me ask you this because I don't want to lose track of this. The problem with fentanyl, it's its origin, its diversion into Mexico, where it's now made into a really deadly concoction. If the use of it and counterfeit pills, which spread the danger and the deaths associated is a problem. That's not going to get solved a...on a local basis. It's too big. It's very complicated. It takes governments to work together to solve this problem. So we know that here's what I like to hear from you too, because I know in addition to raising awareness, that you both speak in front of groups, parents who want to know what they can do. Ed what are a couple of things beyond telling your kids about the danger that parents should be telling teenagers and doing to raise their awareness.

Edie Kolobis 
Well, I think the one thing that you have to tell your kids is that the only time you should ever take a pill is if you actually get it from a pharmacy. Because you can have a friend that has the prescription bottle and say look what I have, well, you don't know what was in that bottle before you don't know where the bills came from. And what we're trying to do right now is launching a national awareness campaign and everyone knows the Geico commercial 15 minutes could save you one car insurance. What we want to do -- which is the equivalent to that -- is 15 seconds...15 seconds when you have that indecision, you can make a choice and that can save your life and the choices to not do that. The one other thing I want to touch on Steve, I know when I was growing up, we were roughly pretty much the same age, you go to a party, there'd be some beer there. They'd be some pot around occasionally someone would show up with cocaine, right? Today, his kids are living through a pill generation, you can't turn on the TV set we're seeing ads from pharmaceutical companies. Pills are a good thing, right? They help people.

Steve Martorano 
Absolutely.

Edie Kolobis 
They alleviate pain. And in that, and that's what's happening, these kids go to parties, and it's all about the pills now. And Stephanie would agree with me on this, we predict that heroin will be gone within the next five years. And I'll tell you why. Think about what it takes for heroin o be for dealers to deal with heroin. You have to grow it. You have to attend to it. You have to cultivate it. You need the right climate. You have to ship it. With pills, it's simple. All you need is the presser. In some 8 X 10 room and a pill press machine. And they're making them by the millions, now.

Steve Martorano 
It's also easier to detect. It's also easier to interdict. Fentanyl is the perfect drug. If you don't care how you make your money. And you don't care how many people die as a result of your product. It's diabolical, in its efficiency, to both make money and kill people, Stephanie, with regard again, to talk to kids about this: Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it would seem to me that if I were talking to a youngster, and the younger, the better, I would take it out of the context that I heard it in, when I was growing up, which is it's, you know, this is bad for you and bad people do this and you don't, you know, it's all sort of, you're not that kind of person. You'll have to...you have to shift that say, just like you would step in front of a bus. You can't take these, you can't take these drugs. Do we have to talk to kids like that? 

Stephanie Hellstern 
Yes, actually, that's something that I also talked to parents (about). I think this is, you know, I really believe that everything's happening for a reason. You know, with my background, I'm realizing and talking to these parents and kids. Right? That we have to be real, we have to have the hard conversations. If not, they're going to hear it from someone else, or they're going to take it from someone else. So I was very transparent with my son, we talked about weed, and we talked about all the different things. I'll be very transparent. I knew he was smoking here and there not that I condoned it, he would with his friends, right, who doesn't want their you know, their buddies and stuff, you know, but I did not know about fentanyl. And so that's one of the things that I tell and I talked to kids is like, Hey, do you want that person look to your left? Look to your right, do you want them to make your decision for you? Because if you they hand you something, they aren't going to make that decision if you take it from them. And ultimately I tell them, just like my son, he took it from his best friend and one pill killed.

Steve Martorano 
Ed are we seeing it in the marijuana supply -- the street marijuana supply yet?

Edie Kolobis 
Yeah, there are stories out there, now. I first saw the first fentanyl and marijuana story about a year ago. And it was sort of a little bit sketchy. But since then, there's probably been about a half dozen instances where there's been fentanyl and marijuana and it's been tested. So yeah.

Steve Martorano 
Yeah, my guess is that it's probably more labor extensive and more expensive to place marijuana with it, than to bang out these counterfeit drugs, it's just easier to bang out drugs. The other thing...

Stephanie Hellstern 
And to add to that, I was gonna say I just met with my local DA and we were talking about all that. And literally what they're doing instead to is just putting on the blunt wraps or sprinkling in on it. And basically what's happening is it gives you a different high, so it makes you come back to the dealer. So that way you keep buying from them versus anybody else because you're like, "Oh, that one was really you know, dank or that was really like, you know, so that's how they're doing it. They want to keep having people come by but they also don't know which ones are killing off either.

Steve Martorano 
Ed, you mentioned the pill culture. We have taken...turned a lot of things into pathologies that might not be in hyperactivity among kids fidgety and unable to focus at an early age has always been with us. And it's not so very long ago that we decided there was a pill for that. So you're right, we have at least one maybe two generations of young people for whom taking pills is not only ordinary but prescribed by adults. So then how do young children go? "Well, wait a minute. You told me...

Stephanie Hellstern 
Yes, exactly. 

Steve Martorano 
Now you're telling me I shouldn't take any pill. I don't think you know what you're talking about. How do I crack...how do you crack through that?

Stephanie Hellstern 
Well, you know what, that's interesting. I was gonna say that I think that's what my son was kind of trying to figure out himself, you know, at that age, you're trying to find the meaning of life, right? And so, you know, what do we say no, don't do drugs. And then he tries weed. and he's like, "Oh, nothing happened to me." Right? And then, and then what I realized is my son had gotten a go-car accident, and they had given him some pain meds, and I made sure only, you know, kept the bottle, and I only gave him part of it, you know, and so him thinking that's okay. Then later on thinking, "Oh, this is from my friend, it's okay." And it wasn't,

Steve Martorano 
Ed, you said your son was, was active and worked out. And I don't know if you've had this experience -- I don't know if you did as well, Stephanie -- but I remember when my son played ball in high school, and this is not so very long ago. If you hurt your knee, here's 30. oxycontin pills, you know, I mean, you know, it was standard procedure to provide these pills. Let me ask you, as we understand where the source of the problem is, now. We understand where the drugs coming from. We understand who's benefiting from it. We understand all that. What role do you think the domestic pharmaceutical industry bears some responsibility? Even indirectly, because they spent a very long time telling us these drugs were okay and they weren't. Now they're not only not okay, but they're also poison. Do they bear some responsibility for the whole crisis?

Edie Kolobis 
Well, I guess from an addiction point of view, you're getting back to the whole Sackler thing now, right?

Steve Martorano 
Yes. But that's so much the addiction to yeah, they contributed to addiction. But they also contributed to the notion that the pill is safe. 

Edie Kolobis 
Yeah. 

Steve Martorano 
They spent billions of dollars saying a pill is okay. And the bad guys just came along and went, "Well, we'll make pills. Let them figure out whether it's good or not." There's a lot of blame to go around in this thing.

Edie Kolobis 
Since the Sacklers dealt with Purdue pharma was deception. You can think, "Hey, this stuff isn't addictive." when everyone knew it was. The doctors even thought it was addictive.

Steve Martorano 
Incidentally, and this is a kind of perverse, I guess, turn about is fair play. But I read that the Sackler -- Big Pharma, and certainly their company, Mundipharma, have an international branch. When they got into trouble they got into this country, they have pivoted now over the past couple of years and they're targeting Asia and Africa, and getting doctors over there to buy into the same stuff about how safe this stuff is. And don't worry about it and prescribe it. And it may be a different pill, but they are still contributing to this culture of, well, you just take a pill, everything will be just fine if you take a pill, I want to bring this back to your group's central premise, which is the paradigm has changed and shifted. And what we are talking about, as I speak to you and others are two parents, whose children were not only lost to this drug but were poisoned by it. Ed do you want to add something to that?

Edie Kolobis 
Yeah, they absolutely were poisoned by it. You know, historically, you know, we had used the term drug overdose, as Stephanie said before. Now that's typical if someone uses too much of a drug. But today, kids try things. And instead of kids learning from their mistakes, they're dying from them. 

Steve Martorano 
There you go.

Edie Kolobis 
My son. Steph's son. They didn't even get to the point where they were addicted. They died before we had a chance to even help them before they became addicts.

Steve Martorano 
Yeah. It sounds a lot like homicide, doesn't it? Stephanie? Last word?

Stephanie Hellstern 
Yes, actually to talk about homicide stuff. When I mentioned about, you know, the detective didn't call me. And then later when I did call him like, "Hey, why didn't you tell me?" He's like, "Well, this really isn't a real homicide." And so it was literally that case was closed and dismissed like my son was an addict. And so ever since then, I've been researching. And there is another organization called Drug-Induced Homicide. And basically what I learned here in Texas, and you would think for a Texas State, you know, "an eye for an eye here," right? Well, we don't. We don't have drug-induced homicide law here. So when I met recently, with Governor Abbott, I brought it up. I was like, first we need to change our perception, which is that mindset. We've been looking at the old paradigm, which is either a homeless person or an addict on the street with a needle. That's the old paradigm, the new paradigm is that it's in these pills - fentanyl is in everything you can think of, and you need to be careful. So we need to change that mindset. And I said, we're not doing it and we're using the word "overdose." So now even the Texas governor, my own sheriffs, and law enforcement are starting to use the words "fentanyl poisoning" and I also gave them the paper her work and said, "Hey, here's someone that has drug-induced homicide in their state. We need to do that here in Texas."

Steve Martorano 
Well, it's...it's reached the level of the mainstream media, perhaps not to the extent you'd like but the New York Times in May or something, had a great article. It's entitled Inside Fentanyl Pills Mounting Death Toll. This is poison. And that's a breakthrough. Thanks so much, guys. If people want to know more about the Fentanyl Awareness Coalition, they can go to your website. Will that tell them if they wanted to start a branch in their neighborhood and how they can do it?

Stephanie Hellstern 
Yep, we're working on that right now. We're going to do a new relaunch of our website. But we'll be offering memberships where someone can become an annual member, as well as hey, would you want to start a coalition in your area. And that's one of the things I'm doing in Texas, I think all of us are doing in our area, we'll start gathering everybody that's in our area so we can start making changes and be able to talk to we kind of call it the umbrella effect where it's back here. And then all the other organizations that are fighting the same fight. Let's all come together as a union.

Steve Martorano 
And we want to be clear about this. The organization was begun by bereaved family members, but now you're reaching out you don't have to behave lost someone to get involved in this fight?

Stephanie Hellstern 
Not at all.

Edie Kolobis 
No. Anyone can start. Anyone.

Steve Martorano 
Anybody. Exactly. We're all truly all in this together. It Ed Kolobis and Stephanie Hellstern, thanks so much. Obviously, sorry for your loss. And, you know, anytime we can have you back here on the program, we...you're welcome, for sure.

Edie Kolobis 
Great, thanks.

Steve Martorano 
Thank you so much. Thank you for having us.

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