The Grace House was initially opened in 2010 by Phil and Gerri Shober to assist women in the recovery community as they transition back to full independent living. Starting with just one location in Ephrata, the concept grew to include three houses in the Ephrata, Denver, and Akron areas. In 2021, Grace House Berks was opened to serve women in the Wernersville and surrounding areas. As Phil and Gerri enjoy retirement, the Grace House continues to be a family endeavor, with their daughters, Grace and Kathleen, continuing the mission that began in 2010.

Grace House provides a sober and safe living environment in Lancaster and Berks counties for women who are in recovery from the disease of addiction. We help facilitate success in sobriety for motivated women. We seek women who have the sincere desire to remain in a supportive recovering community as they practice and develop their sober lifestyle. We support continued growth as our residents work towards full independent living.

Core Values

• Demonstrate love and compassion while also providing clear structure and support.
• Be good neighbors-clean, quiet, and respectful.
• Re-establish and/or develop life skills.
• Strive to put spiritual principles to work in our lives.
  
  

Vision

• To focus on our residents and provide them the support and guidance they need to succeed.
• To provide our residents with a comfortable, safe environment they will appreciate and enjoy calling home though their journey in recovery.
• To monitor our effectiveness and to continue to evolve for the better.

Grace has been working in the recovery field for seven years and proudly celebrates her long-term recovery. Her passion is working with and mentoring those who are struggling with addiction. She enjoys empowering women as they find the strength they need to overcome this disease.

Colleen is a Certified Recovery Specialist and a former Grace House resident. She believes in giving women the same compassion that was given to her as she worked to overcome addiction. She has been working in the treatment field for the past 5 years and enjoys assisting residents in setting their goals.

Steve Martorano 
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The Behavioral Corner 
Hi, and welcome. I'm Steve Martorano, and this is the Behavioral Corner; you're invited to hang with us as we've discussed the ways we live today, the choices we make, the things we do, and how they affect our health and wellbeing. So you're on the corner, the Behavioral Corner. Please hang around a while.

Steve Martorano 
Hello, everybody, welcome again to the Behavioral Corner. How are you doing? It's me again, Steve Martorano., hanging out. That's what I do. Can you imagine this? You get to hang on the Corner and bump into really, really interesting people. That's what we have in store for you today, as well. And we hope you're learning something as we discuss everything. As a matter of fact, I call it "The podcast about everything." Because that's pretty much what affects our behavioral health, anyway, you noticed as September looms, and August is now drifting away from us, we're going to turn our sights as we do every year towards September, which is designated probably internationally, but certainly nationally as Recovery Month. When a lot of effort and a lot of activities go into reminding people that recovery is possible, first of all, and then the forms in which it takes and what you can do about it. It's a very important topic because I think people think recovery is a Sandra Bullock movie, where you go to the facility and 28 days later, you're not only sober, but you've met some really great guy. That's the end of it. We know that's not true. We know that recovery is not one thing. It's a process that is made up of many things. And we're going to talk about a very specific one of those things. And that's that transitional moment. When, okay, you're, you know, you've done rehab, maybe you've done it more than once you've done you're getting treated and you're feeling a little better, but you got to step back out into the real world. And that's what sober living is all about. And our guests are a couple of people who were intimately involved in what our, I guess, generally known as sober living facilities. Grace Shober, is no stranger to this podcast. Grace is...one of our big stars in this program. She does so many things for us, not least of which is her movie reviews with her running mate, Maggie Hunt, they are the Movie Mavens. She's wearing a different hat today, she's going to tell us about sober living. Hi, Grace. Good to see you again.

Grace Shober 
Hi, guys. 

Steve Martorano 
And Grace has brought along one of her other people person she referred to at the outset as "The G.O.A.T." And that's Colleen Elliott. Hi, Colleen. Nice to meet you. 

Colleen Elliott 
Nice to meet you, too. 

Steve Martorano 
Okay, they know each other because they're both involved with house managers for sober living facilities in the Lancaster area called Grace House. And that's what we're going to talk about those houses what they mean, and how they work with two people that are there, kind of running them. We welcome both of you guys to the program. Grace, tell us about the origins of Grace House.

Grace Shober 
Yeah, so Grace House started when, as everybody on the Corner knows, I'm in recovery, long-term recovery. And during a rough patch was kind of went missing and wasn't doing well. And my parents had bought this house for me and my kids to live in during like a period of sobriety. And I just couldn't stay sober to get the house. And so they decided to turn it into a sober living home for women because they thought they couldn't save their daughter. They wanted to save somebody else's daughter. So that's how Grace House started.

Steve Martorano 
Their original impetus was not to create this thing to save other people save you and your and their grandchildren. Right? 

Grace Shober 
Exactly. Yep. 

Steve Martorano 
And you cooperated as you did in those days, which was not at all.

Grace Shober 
Not at all, yep. 

Steve Martorano 
And out of that group, I've met have met and interviewed Grace's parents. So they are extraordinary people. We have more about them straight ahead. But let's talk about your colleague, and introduce your colleague to the G.O.A.T.

Grace Shober 
So yeah, this is the greatest of all time. This is Colleen. I refer to her as "Sam," it's a nickname that I have for her. A lot of people call her that. She...it's not that she's just my right-hand man. We literally could not do Grace House without Colleen, and not even just Grace House but like life in general. As you know, she is just like such awesome, unbelievable support to people in the recovery community. She is a great house alum turned assistant manager and then turned the lead house manager, just me and Colleen that run Grace house, so she is an alum of grace house, and she's in long-term recovery as well.

Steve Martorano 
Okay, Colleen, live up to that intro. I dare you.

Colleen Elliott 
I mean, I'm...I'm like so grateful for the Grace House because when I came here to go to treatment, I had no other options to go to any other place. And the Grace House accepted me and taught me how to like live life again. You know, like taught me how to, you know, open a bank account like we're talking about and, you know, get a job and like, learn how to be a productive member of society.

Steve Martorano 
You're also a certified recovery specialist as well, correct? 

Colleen Elliott 
Yes, I am. 

Steve Martorano 
Yeah. Well, you know what, that's what I really wanted to talk about. Because as I said, unless it...unless it affects you unless you see how difficult recovery is, whether it's from substance abuse or mental health issues, most people don't know what that even looks like. And it's that critical moment when you've got to step out and rebuild your life. Tell us about that moment for you. You know, okay, I can't live here all the time. We got to get ready for what the rest of my life is going to be like. It must be terrifying. It's on some level, right?

Colleen Elliott 
Yes, it is. And the best thing about it, like at the Grace House, we like the ladies to do an outpatient program when they come into our facility. It's, too, because that helps you on your journey to better longer-term sobriety. And the reason I became a CRS is that I felt that it would be able to help women set goals for themselves, like reevaluating them every so many months and finding out may see them progress or grow.

Steve Martorano 
By the way, these are all strictly for women. There's a Grace House, right? 

Grace Shober 
Correct. 

Steve Martorano 
By the way, we call it a Grace House, but you have three.

Grace Shober 
We do. Yeah, we actually have one in Berks County. So we have two in Lancaster County and one in Berks County.

Steve Martorano 
Let me ask you about that moment. Because I think that's what is most compelling to me, that moment of stepping out of that transitional period. Are the women actively setting goals? Are they trying to figure out what I mean, what they want to do? They're not just like, little, you know, throw that out there, once they're there stay done? Are they doing that? Are they, you know, are they planning for the future? 

Grace Shober 
Well, sure, yeah, they're setting goals. But also Colleen and I are like setting goals for them, we help them to reach like, certain goals that they have. Colleen is like the CRS, the certified recovery specialist. She can help with plans if they need plans and stuff like that. But here's the main important thing for people to understand: It is a slow process, okay, so we have people that come in, and of course, nobody wakes up, and we're like, one day, and when they're younger, like, oh, I can't wait to live in a recovery house. You know, it's not like, you know, everybody's dream to wake up and do that. But at the same time, rushing it? Like we have people come in, and they rush it like I'm gonna be here 30 days, even like 60-90 days, we're not like a locked facility. So we can't force anything. But Colleen and I will give our suggestion, our personal suggestion of a year, you know, to be a Grace House to get your ducks in a row, you know, and to kind of like get back on your feet, because it takes a lot of time to not only get back on your feet but to gain the trust of other people. And to have your mind like clear up a little bit. Because it's going to take like close to that year for your mind to totally clear up, so you can start rationally making decisions, so yeah, it's a slow process. But it's if you take it step by step, and you take the suggestions that are given to you, we've had -- knock on wood -- a high amount of success from Grace House.

Steve Martorano 
That's terrific. Colleen, as a manager of these houses. Anybody who spent any time living with a group of people will tell you it's not easy under ideal circumstances. My family just got back from, you know, their annual vacation, and every year were exhausted and had to put up with each other. We all get along. How hard is it to get women who are often, you know, fragile and confused and in crisis to live communally and get along? What do you have to do to make that happen? Or help that?

Colleen Elliott 
I believe, like listening to the women, if they have a tough time to go over there and sit with them, and just listen to what they're going through and share my experience of living in a house. And I was also a manager while I was in the house at some point too. And we tried to explain to them that like, the life skills we're teaching you now is going to help you when you get out of here because you're gonna be living probably with somebody else. If you get married, you're gonna live with your husband. If you have kids, you're gonna have, you know, you're gonna have your kids, and so we try to explain to them like when I leave my house today, I have a roommate. And I'll say to her, Hey, I'm going to the store, so she knows where I'm at. So that's what we're telling them like, this is just starting onto like a journey of life skills.

Steve Martorano 
Grace structure must be very important. Tell us about the thing. I mean, you just don't come in and get a room and make yourself comfortable. There are rules that Grace House, correct?

Grace Shober 
There are rules, and now we're like a step below halfway house and a step above independent living. So Colleen and I like management doesn't live on site. But we have senior residents, and we have house presidents that have been with us for a while. Our longest-standing resident, I think, has been with us for four years, Colleen. Correct me if I'm wrong. The structure is we have a limited amount of rules, but the rules we have are very strict on, and Colleen and I are both old school when it comes to AA. So with AA and NA-like recovery programs, we are very strict about that. And we think that that's the best thing that can lead you onto like long-term recovery. So we are very on time for it. Colleen is known as like the meeting police. She makes sure that like people get to their meetings, she knows where they're at, you know what time, like all that kind of stuff. The way that we kind of is able to like play off each other, like, she'll take care of these certain things. I take care of these things. It's just like a group effort for Colleen and me, but it's also like one for the ladies. They know that we don't play around. You know, like, we make tough love for sure. But like, and we love our ladies. But we definitely don't play around when it comes to sobriety and the program and stuff like that,

Steve Martorano 
Colleen, are AA meetings held in the house, or no?

Colleen Elliott 
Once a month, the ladies get together, come together, and then have pizza, and they do a meeting together. But other than that, they need to take each other to meetings. And that's one of the rules in the beginning. When you're on your first 21 days, you need to be able to reach out to other women in the house to take you to a meeting because this way they've learned to, as you know, be able to ask other people for things because when we first come in, we don't want to ask anybody for help. So really strive on the women to get together and go to meetings together.

Grace Shober 
And good point really quick. I'm just gonna jump in, and I kind of forgot to mention that we do have a phased process. When you were talking about, like, kind of moving out from the house, we have a phased process. So people move through certain phases, they start off, like really strict, and then you kind of just like the level it down so that you're getting more and more used to independent living.

Steve Martorano 
That's a terrific idea. I guess it also allows the women to chart progress. "Oh, I moved up? I've moved forward." Otherwise, I guess it would seem like, "Well, this is it. I live here now." Which is not the goal. You made a distinction just a moment ago. I want you to elaborate on either one of you about where you sit in that continuum between halfway houses and independent living. What's the difference between Grace House and a halfway house?

Grace Shober 
So halfway house is they have staff on-site, they monitor like hand out all of your medication, because we do monitor medication. Like if we definitely check people's medication, we make sure that, you know, they're not like over medicated under medicated, that kind of stuff. But we're not doctors, and we're not therapists. So we're not tech... there's no staff, technically, that lives on site. So that's what kind of differentiates us. We're a little bit less structured when it comes to the sober living halfway house thing.

Steve Martorano 
Colleen, what's been your experience with gardening with the majority of women that...that have passed through Grace House when they are in that situation of probably the most freedom they've had in a very long time? Are they conscientious about that? Or did they take advantage of it?

Colleen Elliott 
I think maybe when they get to one of the phases of the beginning, they might want to try to like, you know, do like not to as many meetings with other women or do things like that, but most of the time, they're all they get so used to each other, they continue to want to, like hanging out with each other, because that's what we're trying to show them that like having women in their lives that they can rely on is a really good thing. And it's like Grace that I have to show by example like we have to make meetings, and we show them our recovery. And like, we even like sit down sometimes within like, you know, we go to their events that they have at the house and do a big book study with them. So like, I believe that like the women start realizing this is home for now. And I should do the best I can right now.

Steve Martorano 
Do you have any rules governing what kind of medically assisted treatment your women can or cannot be on? Or is it utterly abstinence based?

Grace Shober 
We do not accept methadone. That definitely requires like, in my opinion, therapy, doctor oversight, all that kind of stuff. We do allow certain medicated assisted treatment, which would be like Sublocade and Suboxone, that is going to be monitored, so if somebody is on Suboxone, we do check that medication to make sure that it's being taken appropriately. Sublocade is a shot, so we don't have to monitor that that's just given to them. I don't know if like, you can share this. But we absolutely do not allow medical marijuana or anything like that. It's not something that we believe in at the Grace House. And so for us, that is no.

Steve Martorano 
We're going to be revisiting the marijuana issue. We've done it a couple of times. It's a very complicated issue as you know. We've got something being legalized all over the country, and people don't quite understand what we're dealing with yet. Colleen and both of you to this. You two, as they say, have been there and done that. And so that puts you in a very unique position to monitor a situation like that. Are there any games you have not seen play? Are there any hustles that these people try to run on you? That you that surprised you or have you seen at all?

Colleen Elliott 
I think, as of right now. I think we've seen a lot. We can definitely tell if somebody's trying to pull the wool over our eyes, and they may keep on doing it for a week or two, but by the end, it's gonna come out, and at you know, in the wash, it's gonna like it's going to show its face, right?

Grace Shober 
So, it's really tough to get one over on Colleen and me. It's really tough. We've kind of seen everything. A lot of the rules that are at Grace House are because they're rules that we broke. And so that's now why the rules are implemented the way that they are, you know. They always say like, that one person ruins it for everybody. We were those people that like ruined it for everybody and had to have strict procedures in place for certain things. But if I miss something, Colleen catches it. If Colleen misses something, I catch it. It's just like really hard to get it over on both of us.

Steve Martorano 
I'm having trouble believing that. What happens though, the on occasion, when and I unless I'm mistaken, there must be situations where it's not working for an individual, they can't seem to follow the rules are they asked to leave? Does that happen?

Grace Shober 
We try our best to not have to dismiss somebody. A lot of other places don't. I mean, we have people that come to us that were just locked out of their other houses and had nowhere to go. And like all that kind of stuff. But so if somebody's having a hard time with rules, we understand that these aren't like all little angels and Catholic school girls coming into the Grace House, everybody's got baggage they have, there's like issues going on, whether it's addiction, mental health, and all that kind of stuff combined. So we're not looking for perfection. We're striving towards just getting better. And we know that there's going to be issued with rules, we know there's going to be issued with you know, life skills, and all that kind of stuff. Now, if somebody is just like, absolutely, I mean, just defiant, they're causing like a turmoil in the house, what we try and do is move them to another house that maybe it works better there. And if it doesn't work better there, then we will, you know, ask them to kind of look for something else. Now, if somebody relapses, they're out within 30 minutes. But we try if somebody doesn't relapse, we try our hardest to be able to make it work.

Steve Martorano 
Colleen, do you, and if you do, how often do you drug test your residents?

Colleen Elliott 
We test once a week and then randomly if we have a cause to do that. They get breathalyze once a week at a house meeting that they must all participate in once for an hour a week, we have like a meeting just to see what's going on in the houses. If there is cause for anything that one of us will go over. Doesn't matter what time it is. We just go over and make sure everything's safe. 

Steve Martorano 
How many women live in a house?

Grace Shober 
So it depends. At the one house, we have eight the other house. We have ten. That's our largest house. And then we have four, and those are for like the further along residents that have been with us for a very long time. It's called Grace House Next Step. So they're like, even closer to independent living, and there are four single rooms at that house. 

Steve Martorano 
When they come in, they understand that that is the goal independent livin. This is not the way you're going to live the rest of your life. That's the goal. 

Grace Shober 
Correct.

Steve Martorano 
When you got to a Grace House, was it primarily to continue -- like I know, it was to continue your, your recovery -- but what was your economic situation? I'm guessing that a lot of women are at Grace House because economically, they just don't have any...any resources. Is that the situation with many of the women?

Colleen Elliott 
It's hard to get any kind of funding for recovery. When I came in, my ex-husband was just done with me. He just was not going to cosign anything that I'm doing anymore. And economically, it was...it was a great place to start to learn how to like, you know, do my bills and pay my rent, because I don't remember paying that when I was out there on the streets. You know, I didn't pay rent, I just did whatever I wanted to do. So I had to like really start learning how to do financial things. And you know, it definitely...people come to the recovery houses sometimes is because, like financially, they can't go anyplace else.

Steve Martorano 
Yeah. I've told this to many, many people, and they say, "Well, you know, what, what do they have to learn once they stop using?" You know, I go, you have no idea. I mean, it really...it really is starting from ground zero trying to put your life back together. Grace, so let me ask you since your family was instrumental in starting Grace House. How long ago did the first house open?

Grace Shober 
It'll be, I think it's ten and a half years.

Steve Martorano 
In terms of sober living facilities. That's a long time. 

Grace Shober 
There was only one other sober living home in the Lancaster County area. And now there's like, you know, an unbelievable amount. But we've been around for a long time.

Steve Martorano 
Yeah. I want to ask you about the beginnings of it. Sober living facilities started out sort of spontaneously. I mean, there were no big companies open, sober living facilities. These were used as phrases, although in your case, it's the perfect fit. They were mom-and-pop operations, and licensing and inspection and stuff like that didn't exist. I don't know to what extent it does now. But there were unfortunate examples of these homes getting bad reputations, and resistance from the neighbors and...and all of that. How has that changed? Because I know you guys are just among the leaders and making sure you're good neighbors and you're doing your job. Tell us about those changes over the years.

Grace Shober 
Sure. Well, I would say, like, even before there was any type of requirement, we were always PAR certified, which is the Pennsylvania area recovery certification. And so even though that wasn't certified, we did that anyways, just to, you know, have a little extra level there. Here's what I found. And it's still true to this day. That of course, I mean, there's gonna be just like, there's bad houses or bad people, there's it happens, you know what I mean, there's bad places. But typically, they don't last. I mean, bad recovery houses like flop houses that you want to call them and things like that, probably, at some point served a purpose for a little bit to get people off the street, I'm sure. But at the same time, if it's not helping people to aid in their recovery, and like, you know, sober life and stuff like that, eventually, they just don't last. Because the thing is, if you're not strict about people staying in recovery, they're going to be using. They're not going to spend their money on rent. You can't keep a house afloat. You have to get rent. You know, because we're not state-funded. You're not funded by anything except for the rent that's paid by the residents. We call it The Guest Fees because it's not technically a rental. If there's a house that and there have been that has a bad rap, that isn't good. There'll be around for a little bit, not for long.

Steve Martorano 
Colleen, what is your relationship with your neighbors?

Colleen Elliott 
I think just because the women keep the area clean. We've never really had any problems with anybody complaining about the ladies of the house,

Steve Martorano 
Are children involved in this? Do women often bring their...their children with them? Or is that not possible?

Colleen Elliott 
They can't have their children living at the house, you know, most of the time that they're going to come, they can come to visit baby, you know, like outside, we don't really allow any other visitors in the house beside the residents at the house. It's just to make everybody comfortable. There are people with trauma. So we just try to make sure that it's just cohesive, just those girls in the house.

Steve Martorano 
Yeah. What about personal relationships within that? I know you don't have guests come in and stay overnight. It's not therapeutically sound to be involved in a relationship at this point in recovery anyway, as I've told. Do you guys who often have to intervene and stuff like that?

Grace Shober 
I would say not very often. Yeah. Not very often because I think they're like already, like you can get sick of living with like all these other women, you spend so much time with them any way that you're just like, I'm not interested. So there's been like a couple of instances and things like that, but nothing that like, maybe there's something that jogs your memory totally, but not mine. That's been like, overly like dramatic.

Steve Martorano 
What is your...an average age of your clients?

Grace Shober 
No, in various totally when people come in under 18. Some are in their 70s? You know, it just really totally varies.

Steve Martorano 
That's amazing. And this is all as you said, it's all private pay. 

Grace Shober 
Yep. 

Steve Martorano 
And you people can go on the Grace House website and find out all that stuff. Are you open to if somebody said I'd like my daughter or my wife to maybe avail themselves of this, you're okay if they come and check you out? Right? Come to the house and see what's going on.

Grace Shober 
Yeah, we definitely stay in touch with like, if parents call us...you know, look, people have to understand that this is a facility for adults so they're over 18 years of age so we can't we're not going to spend like hours and hours on the phone with like parents and things like that. But we will give updates if they want an update, especially if they're financially helping their child. But yeah, we're absolutely willing to have people take a look at our website. I think there's several Grace Houses because there are some in other states but we're GraceHousepa.com And so you can check out the website. We do give tours every once in a while but again because the anonymity at the houses we want to make sure that that's kind of few and far between.

Steve Martorano 
Yeah, and we'l...we'll add the link up to the website so people can check it out. Just a couple of other housekeeping things. Are the women responsible for their own food or how does it work here? What do they get for their fee in terms of shelter and food? 

Colleen Elliott 
You know, they got a bed, like Wi-Fi is in the house. Their electric, their water that's all included. And then, one of my roles is to make sure that people don't have to apply for food stamps I can sit down with them to apply for their food stamps because they are responsible for their own food.

Grace Shober 
Recovery support services. Definitely, the house, the utilities, and then rides to meetings because the ladies like to make sure...we don't take you to doctor's appointments and things like that. But...but yeah, that's what...that's what, oh, and the drug testing. All the drug testing.

Steve Martorano 
Well, let me ask you this finally about...I've got a couple of other things going to bring up but with regard to keeping an eye out and making sure that everybody's on the right track here in terms of the women. Have you ever had the occasion where someone got unfortunately too comfortable with this lifestyle? And maybe just want to this is the way I live...I like this. I live the rest of my life... Do you have to nudge them along at some point to say NO to NO there's a whole world out there is that ever happened? Colleen?

Colleen Elliott 
I don't think that many people I've ever just like the thought of it as like I'm just gonna rent a room from here because I think because Grace and I would sit down with the individual and then it's, you know, continues like we just try and push them along saying that, you know, starting about time to start looking for other things, but we don't really care how long they're there as long as they are participating in the recovery and free resident, like, you know, they stay as we said, we have the longest one is four years, and she's in college right now.

Steve Martorano 
How old was she when she got there?

Colleen Elliott 
She was 18. 

Steve Martorano 
And she stayed with you for four years and then now she's in school?

Colleen Elliott 
Yeah. And she's still at our house, and she does school. She's one of our best cheerleaders for the Grace House. She's always willing to do anything for anybody. And she's working really hard. She's out now looking for to buy her own house. So she's staying with us until she can find a house that she wants to go into.

Steve Martorano 
Well, I mean, that was...I was just thinking about the other side of that. It must be difficult for you two. You must have formed some terrific relationships. And you watch these people leave and flourish and do well that, you know, that's like, it must be a great feeling. And in addition to that, all of this, if that weren't positive enough, some of you had enough time to form a band. Grace, tell us about...to tell us about the band and the album.

Grace Shober 
We have what we call the Grace House Blessing, and it's once a month. It's the first Sunday of every month. All the houses get together. My dad is a retired banker for like 37 years, but he is a pastor at a small church in Bowmanville, Pennsylvania, and they, he wrote a bunch of songs. And so we have a Grace House alumni person in recovery as the main vocalist. And then we have another vocalist. His name is Aaron. And he's also in recovery. He didn't go through Grace House, but he's in the recovery community. We have another Grace house alumni who plays French horn, you know, and all that kind of stuff. I do some of the backup vocals, my dad strums along on the guitar, and it's called the Grace House blessing. And we just released our little album.

Steve Martorano 
Well, we're gonna preview some of that on the episode here when...when we get to material, I'm looking forward to that.

Grace Shober 
I got it so I have to send it over to you.

Steve Martorano 
Send it over to me right away and tell your parents I said, "Hi." I know your father a little better than your mom. But your father's a remarkable guy. And when I think about the path he's on, are is a result of the one you were on. Right? 

Grace Shober 
Yeah.

Steve Martorano 
I mean, the guy's a bank president whose daughters running, you know, dying...

Grace Shober 
Yeah.

Steve Martorano 
...from this disease of substance abuse. And all these years later, he's now an ordained minister, which makes you the daughter of a minister. I think that's a wonderful story. It's a great story. Colleen Elliot, thank you so much. Congratulations on your...your recovery and the work you do with Grace House. And Grace, you know, we love you. And it's just amazing how much...you're named appropriately, is what I'm trying to say. You really are. And thanks so much. Listen, well, we will have some of the tunes from Grace House Blessing. You'll be able to hear those, and if it's anything like it could be a hit. I reserve the first right to sign you to my management company. Where I will get you a big advance. You'll all be stars. Grace Shober and Colleen Elliot of Grace House, thanks so many, guys. This helps us kick off September, which is Recovery Month, and you'll look for us you know how to do it on Facebook. You find this in Apple podcasts and all of that, we appreciate your time and your attention, and we'll catch you next time. Bye bye ladies. 

Colleen Elliott 
Bye bye.

Grace Shober 
Thank you.

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