Steve Martorano 

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Steve Martorano 

Hi, everybody, welcome again, to the Behavioral Corner. My name is Steve Martorano. This is where I hang and talk about everything. It's a matter of fact, because everything affects our behavioral health. The whole shootin match is made possible by the financial support of our great partners Retreat Behavioral Health. And in addition to, you know, keeping the lights on and the electricity flowing, they provide us with terrific people who can talk very authoritatively from personal experience very often about what they do in the substance abuse and mental health treatment arena. To that end, we brought together two of my favorite people in the whole wide world. And that's Grace Shober and Maggie Hunt, who are both very -- they're successful in every endeavor they have tried recently. I mean, they're successful business women, because they both work for Retreat. They're successful moms and they're wives. So they're running households, and a business. And they bring to all that a just an incredible and deep understanding, from personal experience about the ravages of substance abuse. So we brought them together, and we call them lovingly, the Movie Mavens. What we decided to do is take popular culture that tries to shed a light on these issues and say, "You know what, that was really well done," or "That was malarkey." We have one under our belt. The ladies did a great job on the television series Euphoria, which concluded its run recently, generating a lot of interest, by the way, girls. And now we're going to take a look at a feature motion picture we are hoping that you may have seen but if you haven't, I think you'll still enjoy it. It's called Four Good Days. It's the story of a mother and daughter and their 10-year battle with the daughter's struggles with substance abuse. A very serious heroin addiction is the centerpiece of it. It stars Mila Kunis and Glenn Close as the mom and the daughter respectively. So that's, that's what we're doing on here on the corner. We're going to take another movie review from the Mavens Grace and Maggie. Hi, ladies. Sorry for that long winded open.

Maggie Hunt 

Hi, Steve.

Grace Shober 

Hi, Steve.

Steve Martorano 

So guys, Four Good Days, and there is...there's the lovely and talented. Milos. Is it Mila? Mila...

Grace Shober 

Mila Kunis. Yeah.

Steve Martorano 

...looking like, you know, she just fell off a fast moving train. It's just shocking the shape she was in. But before we get into the nitty gritty of this movie and your reactions to it, but start with his thumbs up or thumbs down, in general, without any details. Are you a thumbs up with Four Good Days or thumbs down? Grace?

Grace Shober 

I'm in the middle. Honestly, I'm in the middle. I don't know if that's allowed, but I'm kind of just like, right there.

Steve Martorano 

Well, we'll let you get away with it now, but from now on, no.

Grace Shober 

No?

Steve Martorano 

You know...you know what? "No" it's fair. It's fair. You know, because I agree with you. I was with it for a while. And then I went, "Uh oh." But anyway, Maggie what did you think?

Maggie Hunt 

I was happy that it was a female person who was trying to get sober because it seemed as if, besides Euphoria, but like in movies, it seems like the movies that I was seeing, it was a lot of male characters. You know, obviously, when I have seen other movies that are struggling with people in addiction or recovery, obviously, I identified with them. But I definitely felt like I identified probably a little bit more to this because of the mother daughter relationship that was there because that I had not seen that, personally up until this point.

Steve Martorano 

So I should have failed to give you the premise, in brief, For Good Days refers to the period of time when the daughter presents herself at home unexpectedly and says I want to get clean, and the arrangements are if she can stay sober for four days she'll be qualified for "the shot," which they keep referring to, which is a 30-day a medical procedure to block the effects of the heroin. So it's the four-day period there. Let me ask you, it begins with what I call the deal. She shows up unexpectedly at the door looking like death warmed over. Her mom opens the door cautiously sees who it is. Daughter begs, let me come home. I want to get clean. I want to get back into rehab. Mom says "No, you know the deal. You cannot get back in this house until you are sober." and closes the door. Okay, well, obviously that's not the end of the movie. But that sets the stage. Tell me about the deal. Have you had deals like that in your lives where your loved ones people you thought were your list hope just said "No way," Grace?

Grace Shober 

Oh my gosh, yes. Like, talk to you later. And my mom said it before, like in like an interview she did. It was like, "If grace comes here, you call the police." That's what you do, you know. And it was because I didn't typically, or I never showed up home unless I absolutely needed something or was in a totally bad way. So I had a ton of deals. My relationship was more with my dad. And Maggie's. I know what with her mom, but it was like, okay, if you know, all right. But it was like deals on my end, too. It was like, Okay, well, I'm gonna go to "a meeting," quote, unquote, which was really gonna get loaded again. And then I'll go to treatment. But there was that dynamic. Absolutely.

Steve Martorano 

Yeah. Maggie, when you found yourself back at home, during your battles? Was it similar to Grace's and similar to the character in the movie that you weren't really there to get clean? You were there to work some angle?

Maggie Hunt 

Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. And, you know, the deal for my mom was that I could not use drugs and live in her house. And she, you know, has sisters, and we have a huge family. And she knew that I would have bounced between family members. So she shut it all down so that there was nobody else I could go to except for her. They all would have just referred me back to her. But there was many a time, you know, that I needed to stay sober insert the amount of time not necessarily for the Vivitrol shot. Because when I got sober, that wasn't necessarily a thing. But like, you know, four days till I was able to go on Suboxone, or four days until I went into treatment. And it seems like a no brainer, "Oh, it's just four days, no problem." But four days for somebody who is a drug addict and an alcoholic. That is a lifetime. And all of the good intentions that you have in your mind when you're making the promise with your loved one. You do mean at that moment. You know, you do mean but...

Grace Shober 

For sure.

Maggie Hunt 

Yeah.

Steve Martorano 

Did you feel that they...that they presented that in the dynamic between the the mother and daughter. She seems utterly sincere in all of her pleadings. But there is a subtext to it. For instance, my wife would watch it and say, "Don't believe a word she says, Please don't leave her alone. She's lying to you." The other thing that struck me was, this is basically you mentioned a female centered story. This is a buddy movie only for the first time in a long time. It's two women. It's really the story of this relationship. And mom doesn't seem to get -- and you tell me what your experience was -- Mom doesn't seem to get the kind of support Maggie, you just talked about, where in a family setting. It's all hands on deck or it won't work. Is that always difficult Grace to get everybody in the family on the same page?

Grace Shober 

For me, it was a buddy system between me and my dad, everybody else was like, "No way. You know, we are not dealing with her," you know, anything like that? Because what I really think is that this relationship in the movie, although like she looked like she was like, really having a rough time of it a rough go of it Mila Kunis. I felt like besides her physical appearance, the mom like portrayed like how significant her drug addiction was, as opposed to you know, Mila Kunis. But yeah, I mean, I guess sometimes it's all hands on deck. But you know, love doesn't cure addiction. So you can have the entire world behind you. And it doesn't matter. Mine was was specifically me and my dad. And it was like us two against the world. 

Steve Martorano 

Yeah, that's interesting about her physical appearance. And, and I think it's a great insight to point out that the real measure of the problem and it's a 10-year problem they're looking at is in the mother's reaction, and the mother's face and the mother's actions. Hollywood wants her to look as bad as she possibly can. That's Hollywood. Now, what's fun, we'll make her look like she died a week ago. But the real drama is in Glenn Close, who's an extraordinary actor. And, you know, she's weary, but she's torn. The sympathy is towards her more than I think the daughter. Do you agree, Maggie that the story really, in a sense is more about mom and the daughter?

Maggie Hunt 

Yeah, definitely. I also think that you can like exactly like you said, you can tell that she is tired and that this isn't the first time that this has happened. And, you know, she doesn't want to continue to just get walked all over by her daughter. So but yeah, I think that there was a lot that showed, you know, because always families that want to do tough love and family members around that, you know, like the parent will be will say, "Oh, you got to just let them go. You got to just let them go." And sometimes I at least I know for my mom, she would say things like, "You know, I can't just totally let go." And it's not that it's enabling, there's a fine line between like, enabling, but also being so fearful that like if you do because like I wouldn't, I wanted her to give up completely. Like I'm like, Just leave me alone. I'm trash. You know, you're really just like a buzzkill. When I'm trying to get loaded, you know, like, I'm not going to just completely let you go. And so, you know, like the husband and all, you know, everybody else like, you know, just tough love. But it can't be that way all the time. And I think that Glenn Close, you know, was portraying that for families who think it's so black and white.

Grace Shober 

Well, and I think that she did a good job of how it really is like she's like, Yes, I'm doing tough love. And she is outside. And that's what it is. But then she slept on the kitchen counter basically watching her. And that's where she fell asleep. I mean, she did a fantastic job, Glenn Close.

Steve Martorano 

Yeah, it really is her story. And the thing about the difference between enabling and trying to break that bond is significant here. Because I'll tell you right now, if you asked me, and I've never been in a situation, so I qualify my answer this movie makes enabling look like a good idea. I mean, on the surface, it makes it look like they're endorsing, enabling, because at every step of the way, mom keeps bending the rule, breaking the deal. You know, go ahead, go in the shooting gallery for 10 minutes, nothing will happen. And we're sitting here going, what are you crazy?

Grace Shober 

Honestly, that's something that I was like, Are you freaking kidding me? Like the thing is, was is that like, this was like her first rodeo. So like, they made that very clear that this has been like a decade problem, right? I tell you one thing for certain and two things for sure. If I would have said to him, Hey, let's drive and like take a look at some of the stuff I used to do and where I used to stay. He'd be like, "What?" He'd be like, "No way. Are you kidding me?" I want to help somebody maybe like the first couple of times around. But after he started realizing what she...she did realize, because she was part of a support group, they were talking about all that the fact that you even allow that to happen. They had to add that for the drama, you know, because otherwise, you are part of the problem.

Steve Martorano 

And it's great, because this is what I'd hoped that you guys reviewing these kinds of movies would point out. There are moments in any theatrical presentation where if you know about the subject matter, you can tell what they're doing. Oh, you're right, this scene is for dramatic effect. Because no one in their right mind would drive into the hood and let them walk around

Grace Shober 

No.

Steve Martorano 

...trying to save somebody. And there's another scene that which is almost exactly for the same purpose. But Maggie, I want to get back to what you said. First of all about her physical condition. Do people get that physically ravaged? If they've got a 10-year heroin habit.

Maggie Hunt 

Oh, yes. Right. Grace wouldn't you say? Oh, even worse, probably. I mean, you can go on to like, you can go on to grace or my Facebook page, you can look at any of our friends, like, you know, when you see the before and after what people look like, and sometimes it is unrecognizable. Seriously. so upsetting.

Steve Martorano 

Well, yeah, I know. I mean, I've had that experience. And sometimes you just think it's an exaggeration. So when you see it in Hollywood, you almost automatically think it's an exaggeration.

Grace Shober 

The only thing that was exaggeration, in my opinion, is that she got a pair of fake teeth that quick because I'll tell you what, I used to leave Retreat, and my dad took me to get like teeth like yanked out of my mouth because they were shot and they're still gone. I mean, they're in the back of my mouth. They're still totally gone. I wasn't getting dentures that same day or anything else. It just that doesn't happen.

Steve Martorano 

Well, you know, what they said was, I know what they said, I've been I've been involved in these discussions. When I was in Los Angeles, the director said, Well, we can I mean, we can make we can mess her up a little bit where we can't have her in front of the camera for an hour and a half with those teeth. Do something.

Grace Shober 

Sure. Why not? Because that is...I mean, specifically, I remember one time and my dad remembers it, too. He picked me up, and I hadn't brushed my teeth and I can't even tell you how long and they were like fuzzed over and it was like ridiculous. Like, it was sick. Right? But like that is what it is.

Steve Martorano 

Yep. Yep. We're talking to our Movie Mavens -- Maggie Hunt and Greg Shober. Every month when we can do it, and we're going to do it every month. We're going to pick something up that popular media has shined a light on it. See if we can take it apart for your case in point now movie, entitled Four Good Days, it's streaming, I think on Amazon Prime. It's worth watching. It's terrific. The acting is unbelievable. And there is a message in this, although I have a couple of questions I want to ask, ask the girls. Let me ask you about the other thing, some of the things they throw out 14 times in detox and rehab. Now I know that's not a shocking number. But people go "Wow, come on 14 time." I mean, how many times for you guys, I mean...?

Grace Shober 

That actually hit me that part because that's my exact number. My number is 14. And so when she said that, I was like <<whew>> you know? And Maggie was 10. But I think that we always give the disclaimer that you don't owe like, especially now with like the way things are, you don't have that ability to really go in and out 14 times and survive. So like, although our numbers are like high and a lot higher than most people. It's not like we're saying, "Oh, you definitely have 14 times or you definitely have 10 times." It's just like a disclaimer I like to throw out there because people think, "Oh, well, this is only my third time I you know, I still have a lot of time left." And it's not true.

Steve Martorano 

Maybe isn't it also true? And people don't understand this that very, very often people go into treatment, not to get clean, but for a break.

Maggie Hunt 

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, making the decision to go into treatment, probably the first seven times I went in, I was not because I was like, this isn't a good idea. It was like I'm just trying to get out of trouble. Get people off my back. You know, I'm 18 years old or 19 years old. I'm not an addict or an alcoholic. I didn't lose a house. I didn't lose any of these things. But this is going to make me look good for a little while and people are going to give me praise. And my biggest consequence at the time was to go away to treatment where they are nice to me and tell me how great I'm doing every single day and feed me and...

Steve Martorano 

In a sense get you strong enough to go back out and get high again.

Maggie Hunt 

For sure. Yeah, yeah, meet new friends meet more connects, you know, yeah.

Steve Martorano 

The doctor intake says to her that you'll be back for she says 14 detoxes. He said Well, chances are you'll be back. relapse rate 97% It is that high, isn't it?

Maggie Hunt 

Yeah, it is that high. That's typical of somebody in a treatment center to say something like that, or especially somebody who has burnout, you know, or compassion fatigue, which is, you know, a whole nother topic, which I know you've talked about, but people oftentimes will go "Oh, you'll you'll definitely be back. But it's almost like, it's so discouraging for people when they say that. And I know that grace can probably probably agree with me to like, it's just not even necessary to say something like that.

Steve Martorano 

Yeah, I thought so. So why would a doctor lead with something utterly negative, even if it's true, but you've had doctors tell you that, haven't you, Grace?

Grace Shober 

Yeah. And I've had people in treatment centers tell me "Never Gonna Stay Sober, Shober." That's what they call me. And like it, honestly, it didn't really piss me off. I had like a super thick skin. I was like, whatever. But it did stick with me because I'm like, "Well, I'm gonna prove them wrong." But that was really...that was messed up. You know, but in the back of my mind, I thought to myself, they're probably right. So it was like a range of emotions. It was like, I'm angry a little bit about it. I don't really care. I'm a little bit hurt, you know, but now I'm going to use it as motivation.

Steve Martorano 

Don't you also think that some people who feel the need to say things like that or behave like that? are in effect of striking a pose? In other words, they're saying to the substance abuser, hey, I know you're a con artist. And I'm telling you, you're going to relapse? In other words, I'm no dope. Don't play me for a dope. Okay? That's, you know, that's a macho kind of thing, or a defense mechanism, but I didn't I find it coming from the mouth of a doctor particularly helpful to someone who at least got that far. Okay. Let's talk about the idea of Vivitrol. Now, it this has been a sea change over the past 10 or 15 years in the substance abuse treatment world where medicine or drugs are used more actively than they have in the past has always been methadone. But...but Vivitrol is something different. And what it is it blocks the ability to get high but as I understand that, it doesn't do anything for on the craving end of things. Right? I mean, you can take that shot and for 30 days you won't be able to get off on herion but it doesn't stop the behavior or your you know your desire to get high. Is that the truth of it Maggie? Grace?

Grace Shober 

I didn't have that. That wasn't like really like heavily pushed definitely like when Maggie and I got sober. But I think like what it's supposed to do is obviously block the drug use, but I think it's supposed to subside some of those like crazy things, but definitely the behavior surrounding it is not going to change. So like, "Okay, I can't get high on this, I'll get high on something else." You know, there's still a lot of work that comes with it. And it can be dangerous to in certain ways, like if somebody does use on it, or they don't feel the effects that they use too much. So there's like, there's a good side and a bad side to it. I think that it's great that it's an option. But there's definitely a lot that you need to know about it before just going into it. I think they could have given her more warnings about it, or they could have given her more information about it would be my suggestion. But yeah, I mean, it's it doesn't change how we're going to act. You know, that takes time.

Steve Martorano 

Yeah, Maggie, I felt that when the physician saw her for the first time. And this is, you know, in the Hollywood tradition, they present her with the magic, the silver bullet -- we've got the silver bullet -- and gloss over. And he does, he glosses over by the way, the shot is that has to be accompanied with all kinds of any stumbles over what he's talking about. But he's talking about what Grace just said, the work still has to go on. And I thought the movie fell apart there. I thought it didn't give any credence or attention to the process of getting sober instead. "Here's the magic bullet. And all you got to do is stay clean for four days." Do you agree that they sort of fell short, their Mag?

Maggie Hunt 

Oh, yeah. 100%. I mean, anything that I've ever seen about the withdrawal is, you know, it is only effective when paired with counseling, or when paired with individual sessions and paired with outside things. I know for myself, it wasn't Vivitrol, but it was Suboxone. And I know I I also called suboxone like a magic pill that was going to change my life and going to recover me from opioid addiction, and I would be fine. And the reason for why I appreciate the idea of Vivitrol is it's not the daily dose of taking something every single day, it's that once a month shot, you can still have the cravings but there's technically supposed to be a little bit drowned out by the idea of you know, I'm not going to get high, I can't get high if I'm on this. But that doesn't always happen.

Steve Martorano 

That daily dose rather than the 30 days is interesting, because there's a psychological advantage. Well, even when you're taking a drug that's, that's helping you get off of heroin. If you're doing it on a daily day, you're sort of engaged in the same kind of physical activity, I need my shot, I need my shot. But when you can delay that for four weeks, you're sort of breaking that, that cycle. Anyway, they glossed over it and I thought it was I thought it was a disservice to the real work of recovery. Let me ask you about another scene. And I'm sure both of you found yourselves in an emergency room in the middle of the night. On more than one occasion. Did you find that seemed overly dramatic or fairly accurate as to what would happen if you went in there in bad shape? Grace?

Grace Shober 

I was in an emergency room many times but the one time that reminded me of that time was in Enid, Oklahoma. Okay, I thought it'd be a great idea. 

Steve Martorano 

What the hell? What were you doing in Enid Oklahoma?

Grace Shober 

I know I was going from my brother's Air Force graduation, which I never got to attend while I got out there because I thought I'm just gonna stop using you know, I go out here. And it was a nightmare. I was seriously and like the most pain, like when you're detoxing from it, like, I know I am. I'm not gonna say for everybody, but I'm a wuss when it comes to like detoxing from heroin and stuff. I'm like, not taking the pain. But it was terrible. And I have my dad take me to the hospital. And I was screaming. I mean, I was screaming, I was yelling, I was like, because you also want them to give you something to like, make this feel better. So you're going to over exaggerate even though it is bad. You're going to over exaggerate and that scene, I think that it was portrayed pretty good, because I definitely did that for sure.

Steve Martorano 

Folks in the New York scene a lot. So they're not it's not that they're lacking empathy. It's just that they're probably tired. Maggie that that seems to ring true for you?

Maggie Hunt 

Oh, yeah. I mean, the other thing that I thought that was interesting is the recommendations that they give you when you're in they're coming in, you know, like, when I had an overdose, they were like, you know, I told them I've been in and out of treatment and overdose, you know, on life support come out of that and they're like, You should do outpatient treatment. And I'm like, Oh, really? Thank you so much like for the rocket science here. You know what I mean? Like, I'm pretty sure that I probably needed a higher level of care but thank you

Steve Martorano 

People don't know how to react. People just don't know what to say to folks in that you almost anything you say under those circumstances is going to be ill advised. "Have you thought about treatment?" You know, "It's occurred to me everynow and then."

Grace Shober 

That nurse though really quick, that nurse she was rude. That's number one. But number two, that's how it is. I mean, they are rude to you. They're rude to the family there. It just That was portrayed good too, because that's not just like, oh, just for the acting like people are rude about drug addiction. Yeah, I'm glad that they actually put that in there.

Maggie Hunt 

"Treat 'em and street 'em." That's what the hospitals want to do. That's what they say,

Steve Martorano 

Yeah, there's almost unconscious sense that if you act compassionate, you're sort of saying, Oh, I, you know, I feel for you, and they don't they, there's a judgment going on here. Yeah, please, we have people showing up here who are in real bad shape, through no fault of their own. Right, I'm not gonna get particularly upset about you, you did this to yourself, it's terrible. Tell me about dope sickness. I have, you know, a term and an event that I've talked about with so many people. I've seen it depicted so many times. I tell you the truth, I still can't get my head around being that physically in pain that you couldn't, you know, make it three days or four days? I mean, how to the best of your ability? How can you describe dope sickness to someone who's never been that sick? What's going on? What's your brain saying to you?

Maggie Hunt 

So the physical symptoms, when you talk about them, they don't seem that serious, but paired with the psychological obsession of your brain, lacking any of its own natural dopamine, your brain is saying you're gonna die, because you're so depleted, you know, because like, when you when you're using regularly, your body's, you know, lazy and it says, like, well, if you're gonna give me this huge burst of opioids, and you know, and I don't have to make this natural serotonin or whatever anymore, like, we're not going to make it. So then when you continue to do that, and you continue to do that, and then you know, you, you can't get drugs that day, and you're in withdrawal. The physical symptoms are so significantly enhanced, that, you know, you seem like you're being dramatic, but inside your brain, it is literally telling you that you're gonna die. And so it would almost be a, you know, this, like flight or flight, like direct intervention situation where like, you know, if you think you're gonna die, wouldn't you try to do everything in your power to not die. But when you literally believe the delusion that like, if you do not get this substance inside of you, and it's a brain disease, all of addiction is a brain disease, and I can't wait till we actually can fully like, comprehend and understand that even though like we do when it's in the DSM, but when we can really come to understand that, because when you understand the significance of the risk that you are in internally, all of the things that you do to get there all make sense, then.

Steve Martorano 

Well, Grace, you've already told us that you're, you're not a fan of pain.

Grace Shober 

Well, I mean, especially like withdrawal pain, but now you said it perfectly. It's because the mental aspect of it exacerbates how bad the physical symptoms are, although they're bad, but it's like detox is like literally trying to drown yourself in a bathtub, but not being able to. And that's like, I did that like at least three times, just because like you would rather be dead. Like Maggie said, being submerged in water feels maybe a little bit better. I mean, it's just like your whole body, mental state, everything is shutting down, you know, and everything's coming out of every which way, you know, it just is what it is. It's nothing glamorous, and, and the way that they show that most of the times, because they do have to over exaggerate that on film to be able to like get that out there. Like how bad it is. I mean, I birthed children, you know, I've had a C-section without painkillers afterwards. And I would do that 100 times over then having withdrawal.

Steve Martorano 

Wow. Thank you. I knew you too, could explain it to me. We're talking about Four Good Days motion picture about mother daughter relationship, and the struggle with a serious 10 years substance abuse issue. It's equal parts harrowing, and sometimes superficial. But at the end of the day, and since this was the battle scene, basically through the eyes of mom and her struggle, and you're right, Maggie said earlier, she's got to deal you can't tough love. Tough Love is easy to say hard to do. And mom bends to that throughout the picture. She breaks every deal she's made. And at the end of the day, she's even willing to give a fake urine sample to the hospital so that her daughter can get to the Vivitrol shot, which is an extraordinary thing to do. Because as they're telling us, you could die if you get a Vivitrol shot while using nevertheless, mom thinks that's a good idea. So what I'm getting to is what one critic I read said that this is so sloppy, and lazy. And I'll quote you because I wrote it down. "That that ending is an affront to the entire recovery community." Is this an affront grace to the that the ending? The end it all comes out fine in the end. But did you find it insulting to what you know goes on in the recovery community?

Grace Shober 

I actually did you know, because like it ended so I don't think like I was like so offended I don't get but I was just like, that's not real. You know what I mean? Like that was like four months later from where we were at, you're still a mess at four months, it's not, you're not gonna look that you might, you're gonna look better. But things are not going to be like that you're not going to have you shouldn't have your car back right away from your family. Because apparently she had her car back and she came home and all this. I definitely think that along with the fact that she went to that school and was talking to those kids was like a week sober or whatever. Honestly, I was like, Are you kidding me? It was ridiculous. The ending was just a way to what it did. What that movie did is it showed the it was dramatic. It showed the physical, what the physical can look like. And it definitely showed the moms point of view and things like that. But it was almost like at the end like okay, no quick, let's get her sober and move life on. That's like what it was.

Steve Martorano 

That's called a third act problem. They didn't have a good third act. Maggie. The other thing, another critic who didn't like to move you all that play, everyone, by the way, criticizes it in a way I think we have. They love the acting. They thought it's a story. was absolutely worth telling. They think there's a major failure at the end. The other critic I noted, said that the topic needs more than a series of cliches. And the people involved constantly blaming everybody else. There's a lot of blame shifting that goes on here. The daughter seems to be blaming the mother for abandonment, the mother seems to be blaming the medical community. So the critics question was we need more than these cliches and blame shifting. We need a more insightful look at what it takes to get sober. You agree with that?

Maggie Hunt 

Oh, yeah, yeah, 100%. I often feel you know, there's lots of scapegoats so to speak, and the treatment and recovery process. The ending was terrible, really terrible.

Grace Shober 

No. What Hollywood needs to do is throw me and Mags in a movie, and show them how it's done. That's what Hollywood needs to do.

Steve Martorano 

It's my goal. It's my goal, to have you to become the great technical advisors for these movies. One real quick question, because it pains me sometimes to ask you guys to do this, too, because I know what it must be like, if it's the same strikes very close to home. Are you too drawn to movies like this? You find yourself looking for themes when a movie comes out? And you go I think I'll watch that. No?

Grace Shober 

No, because it's our every day.

Maggie Hunt 

I mean, this one you know, some of them I specifically want to watch sometimes I'm like, I literally live that life every day. I don't want to watch it I want to watch you know, I want to watch like Vikings or something like that something that's so for, you know, 

Grace Shober 

Game of Thrones?

Maggie Hunt 

Game of Thrones. Things that are not, you know, that's what I want for entertainment, not like the day to day stuff. 

Grace Shober 

We see...we see the actual devastation and the actual outcomes for what happened. It just doesn't end like how it ends in a movie. And then everybody goes home like it. We see like the actual aftermath. So it's like, I think for us, it's like, I'll watch them. And I have no problem you know, given my opinion on these these movies, but it's definitely like, you know, Game of Thrones all the way.

Steve Martorano 

Good. Well, that definitely makes me more indebted to you guys. I love you both the Movie Mavens Grace Shober and Maggie hunt. So we got a mixed review for Four Good Days, it's fair to say, we will put our heads together. I think Grace, we're gonna give grace the first option on next month's review and then we'll all be back on the Corner for more of this. Ladies, thanks so much.

Grace Shober 

Thanks Steve.

Maggie Hunt 

Thanks, everybody. 

Steve Martorano 

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